I have a pair of cleto 16oz extra padding for a year now, i found at first the glove was super stiff and the hand compartment was really really small for mine (the side of my hand was husting after a few minutes). I got them as sparring glove at first but i ended up using them for pad and bag work because the padding was too thin/stiff to spar with ( i'm 245lbs). Once they broke they are amazing gloves so comfy and protect well the wrist and knuckle. My previous pad/ bag gloves were rival RB-11 and they were awefull compaired to the Cletos.