George Floyd choke or crank?

[Oshime2]

tbh thats kinda strange that white belts should give you issues if you are above purple even if theirs a 40 pound weight advantage if you consider yourself an "elite grappler" even with the weight advantages theirs things you should know to be able to deal with them to get on top

I said competent, not elite. Honestly, the only reason I’m asking you and @rmongler these questions is because we’re all supposed to be in the same community and I’m really sad that you guys are showing such a lack of compassion for someone who was, essentially, bullied to death.

In a situation where someone is restrained and outnumbered, there is no threat. Maybe you’re both significantly better than me, that’s fine, I’m happy for you, but have neither of you ever been at a disadvantage rolling? Have neither of you ever been choked and felt powerless? Have you ever been choked unconscious? I have, 5 times, I can’t imagine being persistently choked for nearly 10 minutes. It’s utter cruelty. And I really, really hope you ask yourself why you’re more upset by looting than by George Floyd’s torturous murder.

Unless you’re literally a millionaire or billionaire, Donald Trump, the military and the police are not on your side. I assure you you have more in common with George Floyd than any of them.

Edit: I took that last part off because I think the response would be something akin to “taking my ball and going home.”

BTW where did you coach in Europe? I lived in Paris in 2017/2018, it really changed my perspective on immigration.

 

[mataleaos]

You agree, but at the same time it's also 'bullshit'.

I don't think you're in a good headspace right now, friend.

I’m not. Talking to you guys is driving me nuts. I feel like I’m being gaslighted. I gotta bounce. Talking with you and tekkenfan has gotten me more worked up than I’ve been in a long time. Not entirely blaming you guys. It’s largely my fault for engaging so long.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Hi,

Police kill more unarmed white men than black men in America. I've done some research on this, and the whole race based thing seems to be deeply sensationalized by the media, activist groups and certain celebrities and companies.

An example of this is Daniel Shavers killing for trying to pull up his shorts. The police officer was acquitted and given disability pay for the trauma caused by him killing Shaver. There were no riots over this, there were no media hype jobs, there were no companies tweeting support, there were no activists tweeting white lives matter. I can imagine, if Shaver was black the reaction would be vastly different.

People shot to death by police broken down by race:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Based on the above statistics, even though police kill more Whites than Blacks, it is true that Blacks are overrepresented based on their population size. However then there are other factors to consider like Blacks overrepresentation on commission of homicides and other crime statistics which would place them more likely to interact with police on a per capita basis.

At the end of the day, the statistics are nuanced and there is little evidence to prove there is a systemic race based targeted killing of black men by police. This is completely contradictory to what the media purports, the activists and celebrities tell us and men like you on sherdog claim.

holy fucking shit

 

[shunyata]

holy fucking shit

Right? But he can't comprehend that maybe the deaths of Shaver, and Taylor, and Floyd were needless and stupid and nothing will change without an overwhelming public demand for change.

 

[tekkenfan]

I said competent, not elite. Honestly, the only reason I’m asking you and @rmongler these questions is because we’re all supposed to be in the same community and I’m really sad that you guys are showing such a lack of compassion for someone who was, essentially, bullied to death.

In a situation where someone is restrained and outnumbered, there is no threat. Maybe you’re both significantly better than me, that’s fine, I’m happy for you, but have neither of you ever been at a disadvantage rolling? Have neither of you ever been choked and felt powerless? Have you ever been choked unconscious? I have, 5 times, I can’t imagine being persistently choked for nearly 10 minutes. It’s utter cruelty. And I really, really hope you ask yourself why you’re more upset by looting than by George Floyd’s torturous murder.

Unless you’re literally a millionaire or billionaire, Donald Trump, the military and the police are not on your side. I assure you you have more in common with George Floyd than any of them.

Edit: I took that last part off because I think the response would be something akin to “taking my ball and going home.”

BTW where did you coach in Europe? I lived in Paris in 2017/2018, it really changed my perspective on immigration.

i find it sad you find it ok for people to go out and kill other innocent people looting and destroying cities while innocent people are scared 2 wrongs dont make a right if you dont see that then you obviously have an agenda and love the chaos your seeing

 

[Ishaq]

holy fucking shit

What's the problem?

 

[Ishaq]

Right? But he can't comprehend that maybe the deaths of Shaver, and Taylor, and Floyd were needless and stupid and nothing will change without an overwhelming public demand for change.

You are making a completely different argument to the one I'm making. You're arguing something that I never even objected to.

You can't see your head from your toe.

 

[stav]

lol this


dud didnt even have a shirt on god knows what he was doing before cops busted him

You mean he was wearing a singlet in summer?

Wow that’s outrageous!

you must be retarded.

 

[CFGroup]

Who's the butthole who started this thread?

With the disclaimer "This is not a political thread!"

WTF?

Butthole?

I'm assuming those are MP units surrounding the capital.

Doesn't get more fucking political than that!

Remember when I said 40 million Americans are out of work while both parties collectivelly gave $3 trillion to the three big banks, private equity and Wall St?

That was wen about 30 thousand Americans had died due to the clusterfuck we call Washington DC, now it's over 100 thousand.

The shit's just starting.

Butthole tries to claim "This is not a political thread"!

 

[stav]

Hi,

Police kill more unarmed white men than black men in America. I've done some research on this, and the whole race based thing seems to be deeply sensationalized by the media, activist groups and certain celebrities and companies.

An example of this is Daniel Shavers killing for trying to pull up his shorts. The police officer was acquitted and given disability pay for the trauma caused by him killing Shaver. There were no riots over this, there were no media hype jobs, there were no companies tweeting support, there were no activists tweeting white lives matter. I can imagine, if Shaver was black the reaction would be vastly different.

People shot to death by police broken down by race:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Based on the above statistics, even though police kill more Whites than Blacks, it is true that Blacks are overrepresented based on their population size. However then there are other factors to consider like Blacks overrepresentation on commission of homicides and other crime statistics which would place them more likely to interact with police on a per capita basis.

At the end of the day, the statistics are nuanced and there is little evidence to prove there is a systemic race based targeted killing of black men by police. This is completely contradictory to what the media purports, the activists and celebrities tell us and men like you on sherdog claim.

Daniel shavers death was horrifying.
The cop had the poor guy doing everything except the hockey pockey in a sadistic game of Simon says and still killed him while he was begging for his life bc he grabbed his shorts that were falling.

but to address your point.

I can’t help but take issue when ppl present Cheery picked statistics with poor context.

blacks make up 13% of the USA population but they represent about 25% of the cases of police killings.

whites make up 72% of the population and represent roughly 40% of police killings.


Statistics need to be represented on a proportional basis.

you are not doing that.

let me add to this debate though.

racism is not the leading reason for America’s high rate of civilian killings by police but it is a contributing factor.

Blacks are twice as likley to be killed by a cop in regards to their proportional representation in the population.

But Y I don’t believe Racism it’s the leading “Reason” for police killings is bc even if you removed every Black Death from the stats America would still have a higher rate of killings then other western nations.

This tells me first and foremost the nation has a policing issue

 

[Ishaq]

Daniel shavers death was horrifying.
The cop had the poor guy doing everything except the hockey pockey in a sadistic game of Simon says and still killed him while he was begging for his life bc he grabbed his shorts that were falling.

but to address your point.

I can’t help but take issue when ppl present Cheery picked statistics with poor context.

blacks make up 13% of the USA population but they represent about 25% of the cases of police killings.

whites make up 72% of the population and represent roughly 40% of police killings.


Statistics need to be represented on a proportional basis.

you are not doing that.

let me add to this debate though.

racism is not the leading reason for America’s high rate of civilian killings by police but it is a contributing factor.

Blacks are twice as likley to be killed by a cop in regards to their proportional representation in the population.

But Y I don’t believe Racism it’s the leading “Reason” for police killings is bc even if you removed every Black Death from the stats America would still have a higher rate of killings then other western nations.

This tells me first and foremost the nation has a policing issue

I've already addressed this in the exact post you were responding to. You're the one cherry picking statistics.

Blacks are 13% of the population yet commit a far higher percentage of crime than their population size, which naturally gives them a much higher probability on a per capita basis to interact or come into contact with police.

According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with Whites(including White Latino) at 45.3%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost 8 times higher than Whites and Latinos.

A 2004 National Crime Victimization Survey report which analyzed carjacking over 10 years found that carjacking victims identified 56% of offenders as black, 21% as white, and 16% as Native American or Asian.

So as you can see Blacks are committing crimes, including violent crimes and other crimes at a disproportionate rate than any other race, which inevitably leads to a much higher contact rate with police.

Blacks make up 50% of the crimes committed in the USA yet only represent 25% of the cases of police killings.

So if you want to quote statistics with context, then this is the context you should present. There is no systemic racist police system killing Blacks for being black. The empirical data does not support this claim...This is a fiction of the mainstream media.

 

[skaleton]

EVENT 1
Cops don't like the illegal actions of naked drugged forging Floyd and let their emotions control them in and ego game as they ignore bystanders who point out what is right and what is wrong and instead continue to choke Floyd.

You don't think this applies to EVENT 1?

its sad that people today let their emotions take over whats right and whats wrong if something happened they dislike they dont care what actions they take afterwards cause their "feelings" justify their actions

EVENT 2
Citizens get upset that the cops weren't arrested. Protest pretty peacefully for 2 or 3 days. 1 Cop get arrested. Protests ratchet up and then you think...

its sad that people today let their emotions take over whats right and whats wrong if something happened they dislike they dont care what actions they take afterwards cause their "feelings" justify their actions

Now we see EVENT 1, disgusting in its own right.
We also see EVENT 2, some, yourself included see it as a disgusting RESPONSE to the first disgusting event.


The thing that's making YOU and @rmongler stand out is your lack of desire to talk about EVENT 1 and twisting the discussion away from it to EVENT 2.

 

[pulling guard]

Aside from all the BS.

Most law enforcement does not and will not train self defense, for controlling and subduing an oppenant.

The training they do receive is basically light to no contact. Anything harder and worker comp claims go up. Once the training is done is up to officer to continue my first point.

SJW warning*** once you let a 110lbs female on the force, who in reality could not control, someone smaller than our average sized sherdogger. Every other soy boy then thinks he can be an officer also. Hence all these shootings that could be avoided.

 

[mataleaos]

Daniel shavers death was horrifying.
The cop had the poor guy doing everything except the hockey pockey in a sadistic game of Simon says and still killed him while he was begging for his life bc he grabbed his shorts that were falling.

but to address your point.

I can’t help but take issue when ppl present Cheery picked statistics with poor context.

blacks make up 13% of the USA population but they represent about 25% of the cases of police killings.

whites make up 72% of the population and represent roughly 40% of police killings.


Statistics need to be represented on a proportional basis.

you are not doing that.

let me add to this debate though.

racism is not the leading reason for America’s high rate of civilian killings by police but it is a contributing factor.

Blacks are twice as likley to be killed by a cop in regards to their proportional representation in the population.

But Y I don’t believe Racism it’s the leading “Reason” for police killings is bc even if you removed every Black Death from the stats America would still have a higher rate of killings then other western nations.

This tells me first and foremost the nation has a policing issue

Thank you. Good post. I was also horrified by what that cop did to Shavers. Had him playing a cruel game of Simon Says instead of just cuffing him. Gross.

Good stat explanations too.

 

[Fedorisbest]

Probably the smack he was intoxicated with.

LOL I didn't even know he had any drugs in his system.

 

[skaleton]

You quoted for truth? You wanted it to be out there twice? Thanks.

 

[stav]

I've already addressed this in the exact post you were responding to. You're the one cherry picking statistics.

Blacks are 13% of the population yet commit a far higher percentage of crime than their population size, which naturally gives them a much higher probability on a per capita basis to interact or come into contact with police.

According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with Whites(including White Latino) at 45.3%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost 8 times higher than Whites and Latinos.

A 2004 National Crime Victimization Survey report which analyzed carjacking over 10 years found that carjacking victims identified 56% of offenders as black, 21% as white, and 16% as Native American or Asian.

So as you can see Blacks are committing crimes, including violent crimes and other crimes at a disproportionate rate than any other race, which inevitably leads to a much higher contact rate with police.

Blacks make up 50% of the crimes committed in the USA yet only represent 25% of the cases of police killings.

So if you want to quote statistics with context, then this is the context you should present. There is no systemic racist police system killing Blacks for being black. The empirical data does not support this claim...This is a fiction of the mainstream media.

My bad I don’t know y I didn’t read that part.

you did address it now that I re read it so my accusations and calling you out in that regard were wrong.

but i didn’t put crime stats out of context. I didn’t talk about crime at all to do it.

the figures are correct I don’t argue them though seeing as you mentioned them.

but I will leave this thought in regards to them.


In a fair and just society a black man should not have to bear the burden of the minority of black ppl that commit this crimes.

That’s to say despite the truth in the crime stats every individual needs to be judged on their own merits and this mentality should be drilled into police for first contact.

There is a popular saying.

You don’t punish the son for the fathers crime.


We pride our selves on having the most civilised societies but the body count at the hands of the state (All ethnicities) is a stark reminder that we have some way to go to make that claim.

 

[stav]

nice try lol dude didnt have a shirt on at all very strange

He is wearing a singlet buddy.

And even if he wasn’t, is it a crime to not wear a shirt?

 

[shunyata]

To get back to the f12 topic at hand:


Blood choke, held until death.

/Thread

 

[Ishaq]

My bad I don’t know y I didn’t read that part.

you did address it now that I re read it so my accusations and calling you out in that regard were wrong.

but i didn’t put crime stats out of context. I didn’t talk about crime at all to do it.

the figures are correct I don’t argue them though seeing as you mentioned them.

but I will leave this thought in regards to them.


In a fair and just society a black man should not have to bear the burden of the minority of black ppl that commit this crimes.

That’s to say despite the truth in the crime stats every individual needs to be judged on their own merits and this mentality should be drilled into police for first contact.

There is a popular saying.

You don’t punish the son for the fathers crime.


We pride our selves on having the most civilised societies but the body count at the hands of the state (All ethnicities) is a stark reminder that we have some way to go to make that claim.

Now that is a comment, most of which I can agree with.

However, what I'm saying is that the notion that there is a disproportionate rate of black men being killed simply for being black has no basis in reality.

I am not saying the son should be responsible for the sins of the father. What I'm saying is, Floyd was being arrested for a forged check or something. The more crimes you commit=the more you come into contact with police. The more contact there is with police=the more accidents and negligence that occurs.

The only thing I'm arguing here is the BS race narrative being driven by mainstream media, and BLM groups that black people are being consistently slaughtered simply for being black. That is a fiction. It has no basis in reality. Black people have MORE contact with police yet are killed LESS than other race group.

Now if you made an argument that police are too reckless in general, and it has nothing to do with race, but with poor training or discipline or whatever else then I would agree with you.

But I'm not going to stand here after studying all the data, and be fed BullShit lies by mainstream media, BLM groups, and all the celebrities that Blacks are being discriminately killed and targeted for being black especially when the data shows they have MORE interactions with police yet are killed much Less.