Forced an uncomfortable conversation with my neighbor...

[William Huggins]

Of course it’s plausible. But he probs my made that shit up. Plus he doesn’t fucking understand what anything means. That’s troubling.

My position on gun control? Raise the age required for gun ownership to 21.

But do you really think removing funding will help, isn't funding 1 of the problems, more training would surely be better than less.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

I’m Sure my mom will he texting me a story about how her neighbor, who happens to be a cop, just had a tough conversation with one of their neighbors. And my guess is it will be TS’s story verbatim. She gets all those same emails because she’s also an idiot.

 

[William Huggins]

Oh, so you didn’t get the answer you wanted that would let you try and discredit anything I say by pointing to my view on guns and saying I’m a pinko liberal? Well, too fucking bad. You know I’m fucking right. This shit is likely made up. And even if it wasn’t TS thinks the slogan “defund the police” means “no police.” That’s because he’s retarded.

??? Sorry not sure how you jumped to that conclusion ???

I asked about assault rifles, do you think increasing the age to 21 will help there?

 

[THE Red Beard]

War room, bitch. This shit never happened.
And they need to stop giving the cops so much federal money. That is what defund the police means. It doesn’t mean “no police anywhere.” If that’s what they meant, the slogan would be “no police.”

Nobody anywhere is saying we should “abolish prisons.” So you’re full of shit yet again. But they should abolish for profit prisons. How would monetarily incentivizing people to put more people in prison ever be a good idea? Who’s the asshole who thought of that idea? Probably Bitch McConnell.

Again, I’m pretty sure you copied and pasted this story from Hannity’s message boards or some chain email that’s going around to all cops telling this bullshit story you tried to pass off as your own.

What point did I say it meant get rid of police? Reread my first post and I briefly say what it is. Giving less money to departments and spending the money on other social programs. You are a true shit poster a lot of the time and you think everyone has an agenda. This certainly happened, I don't go on any other message boards, am not affiliated with any political party and had a human moment. You need to look in the mirror and maybe realize you should really be mad at your own beliefs that your entire life is based upon political "truths" that you have been brainwashed to believe are real.

She'll grow up dude. I look at the moronic radical political opinions I had up to a little after college and just want to facepalm so badly.

It's so easy to think in absolutes when you're young because you have no real world experience and don't understand that you can't accomplish things being morally pure like Jesus. And thinking in absolutes leads to radical ideas that are really dumb.

I suppose this is correct to an extent but we are placating these people too. New York tool money away from the police department and they are not funded enough in some cases. Budgets and protect and serve don't align well. I'm not saying an unlimited budget is the answer but taking money away isn't either.

Of course it’s plausible. But he probs my made that shit up. Plus he doesn’t fucking understand what anything means. That’s troubling.

My position on gun control? Raise the age required for gun ownership to 21.

The only thing troubling is you have an equal amount of votes as any other person. You are a weirdo man.

 

[Fuzzybabyducks]

People email about ts?

If it’s bad stuff include me

Hothungduck69 at hotmail

 

[Jack Reacheround]

But do you really think removing funding will help, isn't funding 1 of the problems, more training would surely be better than less.

You don’t remove the funding altogether. What they’re saying is, you incentivize them to reform by withholding that federal funding until they have hit certain markers as part of that reformation. They have enough money to buy fucking tanks, so I think they can still afford training.

Also, we need better mental health facilities so cops aren’t the ones dealing with the mentally insane. And better training. And better psych screening. And they probably need to require at least two years of college with classes like economics and ethnic studies required.

 

[William Huggins]

I’m Sure my mom will he texting me a story about how her neighbor, who happens to be a cop, just had a tough conversation with one of their neighbors. And my guess is it will be TS’s story verbatim. She gets all those same emails because she’s also an idiot.

If I wanted to bait you into a trap, I wouldn't use such simple tactics...........

Surely a masterbaiter like yourself wouldn't fall for this.......

 

[fingercuffs]

The amount of hours I've volunteered in the communities is so high. I didn't do it for any other reason other than I wanted to be one with my community. It is very troubling to be shunned for the actions of very few. The news with their if it bleeds it leads mentality has divided this country so far. The way they slant the truth has caused generations of damage and will undoubtedly be viewed as such when we are all passed.

*likes*
I don't know how big your city is, but Norfolk felt a lot smaller and closer when I was doing that course, and apart from one guy who just wanted to call out and crap all over the police force we were all there for the right reasons. When I moved to California my local CPA was booked out, if Covid calms down I might think about it again.

Thank you for going over and above what you signed up for. What you signed up for in the first place was enough.

 

[THE Red Beard]

I’m Sure my mom will he texting me a story about how her neighbor, who happens to be a cop, just had a tough conversation with one of their neighbors. And my guess is it will be TS’s story verbatim. She gets all those same emails because she’s also an idiot.

I'm certain you are trolling at this point. Why would I make this up? Also...where did I say defund the police means get rid of the police? You don't think people want to get rid of prisons in this country? What the hell man haha you are a tool bag. You are having your own conversations without really reading anything.

 

[Plutoburn]

I'd like to hear your opinion on these two pieces on police reforms.

Both are fairly long, and have some overlap content, but as an outsider, I thought they make compelling arguments, so I'd like a level headed person from within law enforcement's take on the criticisms.

 

[Jake the Muss]

@Red Beard the police force should require someone with your experience and soft skills, but unfortunately, there is a lot of dead weight that can be cut, in exchange for much-needed community services that can take the burden off police officers' shoulders.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Also...where did I say defund the police means get rid of the police?

You’re right. You didn’t. My mistake.

But they need to take your federal funding away until you are able to reform your police department, or meet certain criteria. That needs to happen.

 

[THE Red Beard]

You don’t remove the funding altogether. What they’re saying is, you incentivize them to reform by withholding that federal funding until they have hit certain markers as part of that reformation. They have enough money to buy fucking tanks, so I think they can still afford training.

Also, we need better mental health facilities so cops aren’t the ones dealing with the mentally insane. And better training. And better psych screening. And they probably need to require at least two years of college with classes like economics and ethnic studies required.

I generalized the defund movement in my original post. You aren't even addressing that properly. I'm well aware that these people don't all want to get rid of the police...some do however. They say things like, "the only good cop is a dead cop." That group is dangerous and the defund movement is largely based upon the ignorance that police aren't suitable to deal with mental health people. Most police have a background that far exceeds your average social worker. Mental health facilities are largely funded by tax dollars and the solution is usually medication that is not readily available when the person gets released. The issue with a lot of all this is people base their beliefs on what they are seeing on the news and not the thousands and thousands of fires the police put out in the community that no one hears about.

 

[William Huggins]

You don’t remove the funding altogether. What they’re saying is, you incentivize them to reform by withholding that federal funding until they have hit certain markers as part of that reformation. They have enough money to buy fucking tanks, so I think they can still afford training.

Also, we need better mental health facilities so cops aren’t the ones dealing with the mentally insane. And better training. And better psych screening. And they probably need to require at least two years of college with classes like economics and ethnic studies required.

Sounds like they need more money to me, this sounds like it will become over complex........

This is special officer Smith of the mental health Division, my authority overrides you in the case of mental health, stand a side whilst I put my furry cuffs on this poor individual, we are taking him in....... Call the furry Bus and prep the padded cell...........

You do know that some of the medication used in subduing patients can cause issues right??? It's not like the movies........

 

[Jake the Muss]

I generalized the defund movement in my original post. You aren't even addressing that properly. I'm well aware that these people don't all want to get rid of the police...some do however. They say things like, "the only good cop is a dead cop." That group is dangerous and the defund movement is largely based upon the ignorance that police aren't suitable to deal with mental health people. Most police have a background that far exceeds your average social worker. Mental health facilities are largely funded by tax dollars and the solution is usually medication that is not readily available when the person gets released. The issue with a lot of all this is people base their beliefs on what they are seeing on the news and not the thousands and thousands of fires the police put out in the community that no one hears about.

Don't take it personally. People are just frustrated and are lashing out. Good cops unfortunately take the brunt of mismanagement. The stress you are experiencing is caused by design, and it's outside of your control. The only thing you can do is continue to be a role model in your community, and let others sing your praise for you.

 

[THE Red Beard]

@Red Beard the police force should require someone with your experience and soft skills, but unfortunately, there is a lot of dead weight that can be cut, in exchange for much-needed community services that can take the burden off police officers' shoulders.

Those community services aren't always the answer. You need willing participants in those services and they already exist in a lot of places. The individuals that are not taking advantage of those services are sometimes very unstable, not medicated or willing to medicate. We have committed people in my prison and they are very dangerous and unpredictable people. There is a saying and I feel it is douchy but kind of true..."We keep your nightmares locked up so you can sleep." I hate that concept but some of these people are not fit for human consumption. No amount of social programming will stop a socio pathic person from not murdering. Police need to respond due to that unpredictability. Social workers will in fact get murdered at a lot of calls I've responded to.

You’re right. You didn’t. My mistake.

But they need to take your federal funding away until you are able to reform your police department, or meet certain criteria. That needs to happen.

Training is something that happens regularly and should happen more. The truth is, many departments are under funded and don't have the ability to train constantly. Taking more money away means less cops. It won't improve things in the least. You need more police and more training opportunities. I have run use of force trainings and some departments have two full time officers. They can send one at a time so the other patrols or they send both and a mutual aid department covers their town. Police departments aren't rolling in money.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

War room, bitch. This shit never happened.
And they need to stop giving the cops so much federal money. That is what defund the police means. It doesn’t mean “no police anywhere.” If that’s what they meant, the slogan would be “no police.”

Nobody anywhere is saying we should “abolish prisons.” So you’re full of shit yet again. But they should abolish for profit prisons. How would monetarily incentivizing people to put more people in prison ever be a good idea? Who’s the asshole who thought of that idea? Probably Bitch McConnell.

Again, I’m pretty sure you copied and pasted this story from Hannity’s message boards or some chain email that’s going around to all cops telling this bullshit story you tried to pass off as your own.

Ole Jack your not giving him a reach around. This post seems a bit more angry than usual. I don’t know that accusing this guy of lying is the right move. What if he isn’t?

We need the police, who are working people, to be a little more class conscience and support other working people and protect them. They’ve been ordered to enforce the drug war. Get them to stop that and half the bloody problem is solved right away. Private prisons will run out of inmates.

The police defend rich people’s interests, mostly, but they’re still a great tool..we want police veterans to have better lives where they aren’t stressed all day and traumatized, where they aren’t ready with a trigger finger. Right? Seems like just punishing the bad ones isn’t the way to change. Seems like, as with anything in the usa, the answer to the problem is better funding for social services, which is what the police are, but instead of that, the answer the people are getting is “government is bad” just through a different route.

Private prisons need to be abolished yes because they are basically gulags, if you’re in jail for drugs you’re a political prisoner, and I think we need the police to be the ones protesting in the streets saying that along with us, as much as possible...

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Sounds like they need more money to me, this sounds like it will become over complex........

This is special officer Smith of the mental health Division, my authority overrides you in the case of mental health, stand a side whilst I put my furry cuffs on this poor individual, we are taking him in....... Call the furry Bus and prep the padded cell...........

You do know that some of the medication used in subduing patients can cause issues right??? It's not like the movies........

I’m going by what I’ve heard other cops say. Thyme say they have to deal with mental health issues and they are not equipped. I thought they made a good point - that we expect them to do more than what their job entails. I guess they were wrong about that.

Anyway, I think recent events have shed light on the narrative that there are just a few bad apples in policing. It’s more than a few. It’s a lot. And they spoil the other apples. A big part is the police unions. Now, I am a union supporter, but that support only goes so far. Defund that shit, and incentivize police forces to reform by only offering that money to those who do. It is not a radical position. You assholes want to make it one somehow. I can’t imagine for what reason. That last sentence was sarcasm.

Nobody is saying abolish prisons. Nobody.

 

[sissypunch]

Tell your neighbour that as soon as they abolish prisons and defund the police you’re going to fuck his daughter and his wife see if his attitude changes.

 

[THE Red Beard]

Don't take it personally. People are just frustrated and are lashing out. Good cops unfortunately take the brunt of mismanagement. The stress you are experiencing is caused by design, and it's outside of your control. The only thing you can do is continue to be a role model in your community, and let others sing your praise for you.

It's hard not to take personally. It is as though some magic social program will rid the planet of criminals when in fact, less police will just cause more crime. Medication isn't the answer as I've seen first hand the effects that can have on people. It's a constant adjustment and needs compliance by the people that are medicated. Not much is more dangerous than a person off his psych meds.