What happens after the election?

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Fascinating but chilling article by Jeffrey Toobin in the Sept 28 New Yorker detailing the legal fight that's probably inevitable following the election.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/09/28/the-legal-fight-awaiting-us-after-the-election

I am curious to know what people make of the following paragraphs. Worst case scenario seems to be if there's a protracted dispute about vote results. Article II of the Constitution says that state legislatures must appoint electoral college electors "in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct."

So here's the bit that really scared me:

"The bland legal language obscures the magnitude of this conclusion. It means that a state legislature can simply ignore the votes cast by the state’s citizens and award its Presidential electors to the candidate of its choice.... [T]o date, no state in the modern era has attempted to preëmpt its voters in this way. Still, the Constitution can arguably be read to give legislatures the power to do so. It’s even conceivable that, if President Trump claimed that a Biden victory in a state was based on fraud, a Republican legislature could overturn the result."

Insanely undemocratic, no?
 
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They always find new ways to fearmonger and people just eat it up. How come this worry about the results never came up in past elections? Did the law about this change without anyone knowing?
 
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They always find new ways to fearmonger and people just eat it up. How come this worry about the results never came up in past elections? Did the law about this change without anyone knowing?

The only reason its an issue is because the supreme court handed Bush jr. the win (which upon review he deserved) and that means Trump has a way out of the vote by mail trap.
 
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They always find new ways to fearmonger and people just eat it up. How come this worry about the results never came up in past elections? Did the law about this change without anyone knowing?

Because the President keeps saying there is going to be massive voter fraud
 
So?

He says that and he now magically has the power to ignore the election results?

You asked why it never came up before and I told you.

There are no magical powers, the article explains what can happen in a worst case scenario.

I personally think Trump is going down in a landslide so I'm not that worried about it as this is only really an issue if the election is extremely close and comes down to PA,WI or MI. But it's good to be aware of what can happen and plan for it.
 
Trump will attempt to get states to overrule the vote, but I still have a small shred of optimism that enough conservative legislators respect democracy enough to not go along with it.
 
Because the President keeps saying there is going to be massive voter fraud

He's also went on record saying that the only way he would accept that an election was free and fair is if he wins.

If the election is close at all we're in for a nightmare of litigation. I doubt trump will succeed, but he'll make enough noise and delay things enough that the unhinged left will burn everything down in protest.

What a great man!
 
You asked why it never came up before and I told you.

There are no magical powers, the article explains what can happen in a worst case scenario.

I personally think Trump is going down in a landslide so I'm not that worried about it as this is only really an issue if the election is extremely close and comes down to PA,WI or MI. But it's good to be aware of what can happen and plan for it.
Trump was saying the same things in 2016. He talked about things being rigged against him. Republicans have been talking about voter fraud even before that.

It was never a big deal because Democrats didn't think Trump had a chance to win in 2016. Now that they know he has a good chance of winning, it's "Oh lord, the sky is falling!"

How many times are the MSM going to use these transparent fearmongering tactics before people stop falling for them?
 
Trump will attempt to get states to overrule the vote, but I still have a small shred of optimism that enough conservative legislators respect democracy enough to not go along with it.

Yet when California was debating not putting Trump on the ballot, you said:

California Requires Trump's Tax Returns to Appear on the Ballot
States can choose their electors in any way they see fit.. heck they don't even have to allow a vote to take place if they didn't want to.
 
Trump was saying the same things in 2016. He talked about things being rigged against him. Republicans have been talking about voter fraud even before that.

It was never a big deal because Democrats didn't think Trump had a chance to win in 2016. Now that they know he has a good chance of winning, it's "Oh lord, the sky is falling!"

How many times are the MSM going to use these transparent fearmongering tactics before people stop falling for them?

The fearmongering is good. Let people know that they need to vote in numbers big enough that stop him from pulling this crap.
 
The fearmongering is good. Let people know that they need to vote in numbers big enough that stop him from pulling this crap.
But then if he wins fair and square, people will assume he cheated because the media told them that (a) Trump is willing to cheat to win and (b) there's no way Biden will lose. That fuels this retarded dictator/fascist narrative which is fueling these riots right now.
 
Liberals will throw another tantrum, try to impeach, and look stupid for another four years.
 
But then if he wins fair and square, people will assume he cheated because the media told them that (a) Trump is willing to cheat to win and (b) there's no way Biden will lose. That fuels this retarded dictator/fascist narrative which is fueling these riots right now.

He should probably top saying the election will be rigged and that the only way he'll lose is voter fraud if he doesn't want people to write about ways he could "win" undemocratically.

I've only seen one major journalist say Biden has no way of winning and he got slapped down by every respectable pollster in the US. The polling averages have Biden winning at around 75-80% and the betting odds were around 55% chance for Biden the last time I checked.


 
Months long legal fight over what to do with non-correct mail in ballots (perfect ones in, but there will be varying degrees of mistakes and lateness) argued over for months in the courts that I just hope gets resolved by January 20th 2021.

This is going to make the W vs Gore hanging chads look like nothing
 
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