Wilder vs Ngannou (trained/cornered by Teddy Atlas) Where you putting your money?

[VIPERdude]

Wilders boxing is real ugly.. And he lacks technical boxing skills.
Id actually favor francis. Power vs power wilder ive seen francis i havent as far as boxing goes. But francis vs fury.... Id have to say fury would school francis

Good for you. See people.........like this man before you post "FRANCIS HAS NO CHANCE DEONTAY IS TOP 10 BEST EVER!" make sure you know your shit. Francis wouldnt fare great against a seasoned boxer, no, but Deontay has gotten by with losing rounds (see Ortiz) and that one punch ends it. Francis KOed Jairzinho Rozenstruik (FORMER DECORATED KICK BOXER) and Overeem who is by far more decorated of a striker than Francis.

THANK you sir for knowing your shit

 

[VIPERdude]

Why even ask this? You've been around long enough to know the answer.

Well seems like most commenting see what I see in Wilders boxing. He might as well be trained by Edmund Tarverdyn because the dude cant throw a jab....and Francis KOing Jairzinho Rozenstruik and Overeem both decorated strikers in their own right in seconds , use your noggin...Wilder got by with 1 punch knockouts. Francis could do just the same and he can throw a jab.

 

[VIPERdude]

Francis probably wants to enter boxing so he can make a bunch of money before he retires and thinks boxing will get him the millions faster

absolutely. I dont blame him, ufc pays these guys shit

 

[VIPERdude]

You're an idiot and clearly don't know shit about boxing.

UM...Lol Francis KOed 2 of the most decorated strikers in history in Overeem and Jairzinho Rozenstruik without a problem. IF ANYONE KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT BOXING as you say....WILDER is known for not being a good boxer. He won a bronze medal in an era where all his opponents were scrubs. Sorry to say Wilder as amazing of a PUNCHER he is, he is not a boxer. IF YOU KNEW ABOUT BOXING you would know he isnt a boxer.

And I will quote the great Teddy Atlas "He doesnt know how to fight!" as Atlas referred to Wilder’s power as only a “Great Eraser,” which removed Wilder’s mistakes in the ring. In many of his fights, Wilder was outboxed until he landed a knockout blow, which rendered his opponents unconscious. According to Atlas, Wilder is missing the fundamentals, and he got exposed in the second Ortiz fight."

 

[VIPERdude]

agreed

as Teddy Atlas says "Wilder doesnt know how to fight!" as Atlas referred to Wilder’s power as only a “Great Eraser,” which removed Wilder’s mistakes in the ring. In many of his fights, Wilder was outboxed until he landed a knockout blow, which rendered his opponents unconscious. According to Atlas, Wilder is missing the fundamentals, and he got exposed in the second Ortiz fight."

So since you agree maybe you should have Teddys job.

Francis has a far better chance than McGregor ever did at Floyd

 

[VIPERdude]

In a BOXING MATCH? Wilder without question, as EVERY other poster is mentioning. In a MMA fight....probably Wilder, too.

Every other poster ? Looks even to me...

Wilder is a puncher, not a boxer. Francis has a 50/50 chance IMO.
How many professional analysts have you heard mention Wilders poor skills and relys on his one punch power...all of them.

I dont know where you get your info, but Wilder has not evolved at all. Are you aware in most of his fights he loses most of his rounds and down on the score cards until he throws that one punch ? He said himself ..."WITH MY POWER I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT WINNING ROUNDS"

Great boxer? If ya say so.

 

[VIPERdude]

if its just boxing wilder destroys ngannou easily. if its mma, its other way around

Negative. Francis can throw a great jab. Deontay cant. Deontay barely wins rounds until he gets a punch through.
You're crazy if you think Ngannou has no shot. Not one boxing pro analyst puts Wilder as a great boxer. He has no fundamentals. Teddy Atlas knows his shit...more than you and I, and he said himself WILDER DOESNT KNOW HOW TO FIGHT. HE has one punch. Ngannou has just enough of a chance to connect and arguably moves better as a bigger man.
Wilder losses most of the rounds against top tier boxers. Thats why Fury decided to embarrass him and will again.

 

[VIPERdude]

Who would have thought there'd be a more outrageous thread than the Ngannou top 15 HW boxer one.

So you dont like the poster I made? Im disappointed

 

[Deleted member 510653]

absolutely. I dont blame him, ufc pays these guys shit

He might win a couple bouts you'd think he'd lose you always hear people say his technique sucks but look at the time span it's taken him to beat everyone since Lewis. Must be doing something right.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

Every other poster ? Looks even to me...

Wilder is a puncher, not a boxer. Francis has a 50/50 chance IMO.
How many professional analysts have you heard mention Wilders poor skills and relys on his one punch power...all of them.

I dont know where you get your info, but Wilder has not evolved at all. Are you aware in most of his fights he loses most of his rounds and down on the score cards until he throws that one punch ? He said himself ..."WITH MY POWER I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT WINNING ROUNDS"

Great boxer? If ya say so.

You're saying Wilder isn't a great boxer? If ya say so. That's cognitive dissonance.

 

[Vaanderdecken]

Wilder has great boxing ability. His record is proof of that. He's got great power, speed, and has good timing. Attributes like that can get you far in any sport. This "weak era" garbage is just some anti-white nonsense.

Francis wouldn't last more than one or two rounds, and he certainly doesn't have the stamina to go a full 12. Ngannou has looked good in MMA because he's boxed with opponents who couldn't crack the top 500. There's a reason why first round knockouts are rare in boxing. Almost everyone competing at the pro-level is too good to be caught by a wild flurry like that.

I say Francis gasses himself out early and gets finished in the third.

 

[bigconan]

at least someone here knows whats up. I made the thread to see how many out there know what they are really looking at. Both men are power punchers. Wilder never relied on his boxing pedigree. Francis has a 50/50 shot at landing if he dedicates his training to specific boxing esp. with Teddy in his corner. Both men throw bombs, period.

give ngannue some time to really focus on boxing...right now, he winds up way too much, with his punches...wilder is way too smart for that...though wilder tends to do that as well...swings from the floor...if he fought in any other era, he'd get murdered. george foreman would have destroyed him....something terrible.

 

[TR1]

How does boxin even stand a chance vs this technique?

 

[VIPERdude]

How does boxin even stand a chance vs this technique?

Well we would see obviously

 

[VIPERdude]

You're saying Wilder isn't a great boxer? If ya say so. That's cognitive dissonance.

Yes, so did Teddy Atlas, Max Kellerman and many others that know loads more than I do. Which means it doesnt take a lot to see shitty boxing technique

 

[VIPERdude]

He might win a couple bouts you'd think he'd lose you always hear people say his technique sucks but look at the time span it's taken him to beat everyone since Lewis. Must be doing something right.

How many times have we seen Wilder win by out boxing his opponent? As a technician Wilder isnt that good. He is always off balance for one, and wings wild punches hence why everyone waits for him to land that big bomb. The HW division before the return of Tyson Fury was garbage with 2 at the top, Joshua and Wilder. Wilder the Pony who won all his fights by landing his 1 trick. He was losing to Ortiz, in every round, before he landed that 1 punch.

He's without a doubt a freak of nature, a great knockout artist. Though not many will put him in the top 10 best HW boxers of all time. Deontay Wilder is mediocre if you compare his boxing skills to all of the heavyweights ever his weight class.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

Yes, so did Teddy Atlas, Max Kellerman and many others that know loads more than I do. Which means it doesnt take a lot to see shitty boxing technique
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Shitty technique (obviously) doesn't equal shitty boxer. Getting the job done/accumulating a good record goes a long way though. . .

So mma strikers who win a lot (like Israel) aren't "skilled" if they don't have/use a good ground game? Because he's not fighting MMA "the right way"?

 

[GUY]

what a stupid discussion. Yes, Wilder doesn't have good technique. It would still be heavily favourite against Ngannou. He has a lot of ring experience, he was being outboxed by Ortiz, still landed that power shot on round 10. Ngannou would be dying of a heart attack at round 10. Does Ngannou have better chances than Conor vs Mayweather? Obvioulsy. Mayweather is much better than Wilder and the one punch knockout threat isn't as big in the lower weight classes.

 

[Naoya#1]

Put himin efe ajagba. Both are slow as fuck and hit hard.

But Efe is younger and has much better cardio, so maybe you should make stamina equal.

Wilder would kill him. Much faster, more explosiv, a cardio machine and sniper. Ngannou generates most of his power via bad Form (that's why I think his power wouldn't be that good in the ring Imo) which means Wilder KOs him in an instant.
Honestly,tthe Ngannou v Wilder threads are so bad because Ngannou never fought granite chins, or guys with legit KO power (yeah he fought Lewis but he was scared). This is disrespectful.

Pretty much the only guys he KOd 100% are chinny Reem and a C level Kickboxer who trained MMA for a few years (this fight was so lol)

Put him against this guy and make stamina and age equal, so it's a bit more fair

 

[Soulkrusher]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they both just wind milled each other. Wilder is shot mentally. Hes literally gone insane. This trilogy will end his career providing he actually makes it to the ring.