Is the gap between Thai's and Foreigners closing in?

Not sure what the official rule is but Ive seen many IFMA fights without shinguards. The bigger problem with IFMA is they use kickboxing style scoring - get points for walking forward, get points for punches and spinning shit that hits the gloves, etc. It is kinda cool to watch though because you get to see the elite French fight the elite Eastern Bloc guys and occasionally a semi retired legend like Petboonchu.
 
Bro its fought in amateur rules but competitors are pro and some champs in pro orgs

And if certain countries are dominating this kinda tournament it says something.
It says something, but it doesn't say they are the best in the world. You fight under pro rules in major promotions to determine that. This is how we gauge the sport.
 
I think that non Thais are as a whole are have gotten better but, I think it’s also important to recognize that most non Thais are most competitive above 70kg and the best Thais are competing at or under 63kg. In the lighter weight classes westerners still aren’t consistently winning at the stadium level. Another thing is that westerners also tend to cut weight, and tend to have a sizable size advantage despite competing in the same weight class. Thai and kickboxing while still relatively niche, are becoming more large scale international sports, with a larger talent pool and better training programs than we had 15 years ago.
 
It says something, but it doesn't say they are the best in the world
They don't care.
KB/ K-1 doesn't have that media attention in Europe that was in 1996 - 2004.
You fight under pro rules in major promotions to determine that. This is how we gauge the sport.
For example Glory<45><Lmaoo> etc?
Sorry, they have other, better stuff to do.
 
For example Glory<45><Lmaoo> etc?
Sorry, they have other, better stuff to do.
Better stuff to do, like be completely unknown and don't make any money fighting regionally, also not test themselves against better competition. Again, not the best in the world. Glory isn't the only promotion out there.
 
Bro its fought in amateur rules but competitors are pro and some champs in pro orgs

And if certain countries are dominating this kinda tournament it says something.
A lot of the countries that do well in IFMA get government backing, a wage and bonuses for winning, a lot of countries that have strong pro scene have to more or less pay their own way to go to IFMA, that also says something
 
The sport's popularity outside of Thailand is a function on Jan-Claude Van Damme's career. Muay Thai was thought to be a silly, ineffective martial art in 1988 because of Bloodsport.

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However, everything changed when Kickboxer came out in 1989. Tong Po, a muay thai practitioner, was revealed to be the greatest striker on earth, and JCVD was only able to defeat him by training with a thai man who told the locals he said their mothers had sex with mules.

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That was thirty years ago, and now the farangs who grew up post-Kickboxer are in their athletic primes.
 
Not all european governments subsidize non olympic sports that as is assumed in forums:D....

Actually K-1 long ago had europeans like Andy Hug, Cro Cop .
Van Damme in europe was Shotokan karateka for Belgium National team.
More than this: in 1996 - 2004 K-1 alredy had also other world level europeans.
 
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Only fighter i know of that had an extensive IFMA career and was relatively succesful in pro kickboxing and muay thai is Vitaly Gurkov. Generally it just seems to be a stepping stone for (mostly) europeans to advance in their career and i'd guess most IFMA champions don't turn out to be outstanding pro fighters.

Some accomplished thais fought at IFMA but it seems to be more of a non-recurring thing.
 
Europeans?
OK, I'm not generally about MT but ….
Yes, not rarerly guys that competed in KB amateurs didn't looked into pro game because they were students, some even working students.
Also there transition to other arts ( MMA, pro boxing ).
Or from amateur KB to K-1 more often than to MT pro.
Former WAKO guys in pros were in 90 ies - beginning 200x for K-1, pro boxing. Europeans.

MT of course thanks to MMA now is popular, also not rarerly for guys clinch rules from MT likes a lot.
 
A lot of Europeans start at a very young age too these days. I know guys who have started to work with their kids when they were like 5, just like in Thailand. Granted, it's not the two sessions a day like over there but picking up technique at a young age gives them a massive head start over the rest who start training properly when they are like 15.
 
The sport's popularity outside of Thailand is a function on Jan-Claude Van Damme's career. Muay Thai was thought to be a silly, ineffective martial art in 1988 because of Bloodsport.


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It raised awareness of Muay Thai but this sounds like an exaggeration to say people thought Muay Thai was an ineffective and silly martial art back then. If people knew what Muay Thai was they likely thought it was a legit martial art.
 
I fucking hope so! Then all the constant race/ethnic/National wars in forums will finally stfu.

Honestly I love Kickboxing and Muay Thai but it makes it really hard to love when every outlet for public discourse on both topics are marred with endless threads and posts about how “Thais can’t box”

“The Dutch are terrible and will never be successful in Thai land”

“Dutch have better hands”

“Dutch have worse kicks”

“Dekkers was an overrated hack”

“Saenchai is a hack”

“K-1 screwed over Thais”

“Thailand screws over Farangs”

And what other racist, bigoted, nationalistic, or culture worshipping arguments you can think of.

It’s like, FFS guys Thais aren’t homogeneous, neither are the Dutch. What makes the difference is time training and amount of training. Look back at the boxers of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, they fought constantly to live to survive. Many had records of 90+ fights and some even hundreds of wins. So do many Nak Muay because that’s not only a cultural thing but a necessity for them. And even if it isn’t a necessity to live there’s still a culture of fighting even at a young age.

So yeah over time that skill gap will be filled, and westerners adopt training habits of the Thais like light technical sparring, training with a strong emphasis on conditioning, and high volume of fights even if they’re at a lower level. They could breach the gap in both Kickboxing and Muay Thai skill wise.

Of course everyone is individual and their mileage will vary, and if it’s a Farang in Thailand under Thai rules they will need to familiarise themselves with not just the rules and scoring, but also the culture and etiquette of fighting, like when to push the pace and betting culture around the matches.
 
I don't really follow MT but I noticed when watching some fights, that there is a lot more Thais fighting from 70-80 KG.
Are Thai fighters getting bigger as well? I mean Dieselnoi probably could of made MW nowadays or even LHW, if he didnt starve himsef to the bone.
 
I don't really follow MT but I noticed when watching some fights, that there is a lot more Thais fighting from 70-80 KG.
Are Thai fighters getting bigger as well? I mean Dieselnoi probably could of made MW nowadays or even LHW, if he didnt starve himsef to the bone.
There used to be almost zero opportunities in those weights, now there are a lot which is probably the main factor though. I've heard dietary changes are making them bigger though, same thing in Japan.
 
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