UPDATE: St. Louis DA to charge couple. Old white couple point guns at protesters

They were saying that they armed themselves and did not allow themselves to be stomped into a coma or have their house looted.

They weren't saying that anyone was stomped into a coma.
Thanks for the background, it must have been their legally safe position.

But tbh that’s like me saying I armed myself with an AR, locked, loaded and pointed while I went to a bank so I don’t get shot when and if someone robs the bank.

however these charges were a total exaggeration to begin with so I don’t mind whatever legal defence they employed.
 
True but not true.

Cops point their weapons all the time. As do soldiers
Cops have authority and training. That doesn't mean any Joe Shmow can point weapons at people that aren't being arrested.
 
I've never understood the hesitancy to pardon convicts convicted wrongly.

It's like everyone involved is afraid to admit they fucked up.
They won't admit a fuckup happened but they'll pardon a "partisan" to score political points.
 
Good. They were targeted for having the audacity to stand up to BLM and not allow themselves to be stomped into a coma and their house looted. Fortunately, common sense prevailed here.
Boo, was anyone's house looted, or anyone attacked that day? Weren't people protesting at the mayor's house in the neighborhood?
 
They were saying that they armed themselves and did not allow themselves to be stomped into a coma or have their house looted.

They weren't saying that anyone was stomped into a coma.
With zero evidence that would have happened if they just stayed in their house watching TV and drinking martinis.
 
With zero evidence that would have happened if they just stayed in their house watching TV and drinking martinis.

You must be a giant pussy in real life. An angry mob shows up on your property and you turn up the TV volume and quietly whisper "Please go away...".
 
Intruders ignore gates barring entrance. Ignore signs against trespass. Argue with homeowners who ask them to stop trespassing and simply leave. Trespassers don't get shot after breaking the law.

Libs on Sherdog - The homeowners who exercised Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground were wrong. The trespassers were right!!!!
 
I agree with them being pardoned and the case being exaggerated from the get go. But just who in their neighboured had been stomped into a coma?

Nobody, thankfully.

Boo, was anyone's house looted, or anyone attacked that day? Weren't people protesting at the mayor's house in the neighborhood?

As far as that neighborhood, you can probably thank the McCluskey's for that. It doesn't really matter if anybody else got attacked that day. We'd been seeing footage of BLM and Antifa stomping unarmed people for months. They had every reason to believe they could be next. Why take that chance? They gave a warning and that mob was smart enough to move along.
 
She did point her gun with her finger on the trigger. If you had "protesters" walking down your street would you set up a position from a window or somewhere in your house or step outside to confront them?
Difference between walking down a street protesting and tearing up shit "peaceful protests".

Ifcthe protests were actually peaceful and they were just walking down the street then I see the point. If they were tearing shit up as well she had every damn to do what she did . Not a fucking thing wrong with protecting your home.
 
Cops have authority and training. That doesn't mean any Joe Shmow can point weapons at people that aren't being arrested.

A cop can't point his weapon at any Joe Shmow and not be arrested either.

It's legal for an officer to brandish his weapon if he thinks the suspect is a deadly threat. The same is true for a citizen. There is no legal distinction between the two--there's just the distinction in how we prosecute.

If it's right and moral for us to disallow citizens from raising their legally owned firearms to protect themselves from a could-be-deadly threat, then we shouldn't allow cops to do the same.

Brandishing laws are there to keep people from making threats of deadly violence against a person that poses no threat of deadly violence to them--like pulling out a gun in a bar to scare a guy that hit on your girl.
 
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I would argue the exact opposite. The McCloskey’s had zero support, back up or anyone for that matter to protect them against the violent mob other than themselves. The capitol had professional law enforcement local and federal thoughout the building. Additionally, the mob in St Louis was arguably better armed than the larpers on Jan 6th. The cop that murdered that woman was trained where the old couple under significantly more distress and threat stood down.

ah, no. Pushing through a flimsy gate is not even remotely close to forcing their way into the capital by attacking and crushing officers against the door.
 
Who can say? When they handed the gun over I believe the firing pin was backwards. Can anyone state with certainty that's the way it was during the confrontation?

nope. Also in order to charge them with anything they had to be sure the gun was in working order. Are there any cases that lawyer used that gun as a prop? Probably not. And they pled guilty so it is a moot point
 
Boo, was anyone's house looted, or anyone attacked that day? Weren't people protesting at the mayor's house in the neighborhood?

Nobody was attacked or looted because they had guns pointed at them. The protesters broke down their gate and entered their private property as an angry mob. If you don't want to have a gun pointed at you, perhaps you shouldn't break onto some millionaires private property and scream threats at them. People get shot for way less every day.
 
Only government humans are allowed to protect themselves with guns. Those are special humans with special rights and powers. All people that work in the government are better than these people.
 
You must be a giant pussy in real life. An angry mob shows up on your property and you turn up the TV volume and quietly whisper "Please go away...".
Well it's true what they say. You are what you eat. [<cena1}
 
You must be a giant pussy in real life. An angry mob shows up on your property and you turn up the TV volume and quietly whisper "Please go away...".

You seem completely unstable if you think a group of people walking by your house warrants rushing outside and pointing firearms at them.
 
Nobody, thankfully.



As far as that neighborhood, you can probably thank the McCluskey's for that. It doesn't really matter if anybody else got attacked that day. We'd been seeing footage of BLM and Antifa stomping unarmed people for months. They had every reason to believe they could be next. Why take that chance? They gave a warning and that mob was smart enough to move along.
A warning not to do what they weren't doing in the first place. Don't you think you're just looking for excuses by saying they would have been violent but were dissuaded by the aggressive armed homeowners that had to step outside their home to confront people walking by?
 
Nobody was attacked or looted because they had guns pointed at them. The protesters broke down their gate and entered their private property as an angry mob. If you don't want to have a gun pointed at you, perhaps you shouldn't break onto some millionaires private property and scream threats at them. People get shot for way less every day.
I don't understand A. How FFS it's a crime to point n or brandish your LEGAL fire arms at a mob that has been wrecking shit in their path AND has broken onto your property and B. How anyone LEFT OR RIGHT could defend this shit as being a crime.

I guess by this shit in St Louis if a burglar breaks in your house ..... you can only stand there with your gun at your side and ask them leave ?
 
Difference between walking down a street protesting and tearing up shit "peaceful protests".

Ifcthe protests were actually peaceful and they were just walking down the street then I see the point. If they were tearing shit up as well she had every damn to do what she did . Not a fucking thing wrong with protecting your home.
Even though the gate was broken at some point they were just walking by originally. These two stepped out with firearms and started arguing with them. Other than this confrontation were there any reports of those protesters causing damage that day in the neighborhood?
 
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