Reem could have beaten the Rico we saw tonight

If he was still doing a tournament and fighting 4-5 other times every year like back in the k1 heyday he would not be undefeated. He only faces what would be a ranked opponent about once every 2 years and the last time he actually dominated a ranked opponent was Adegbuyi back in 2015 when Benny had only been fighting for 3 or 4 years. As much as everyone wants to take away from Alistair he beat more top ranked opponents in one night than rico has beaten in the past 4 years.

I also love how some of you will claim rico breaking Badr's arm as a legit win while at the same time saying Alistair breaking saki's arm does not count

You are right. True Double standard right there. We even say Alistair didn't beat the best fresh because they either lost when should have won, or their previous fight they beat their body up.
 
I also love how some of you will claim rico breaking Badr's arm as a legit win while at the same time saying Alistair breaking saki's arm does not count
Saki went into that fight with his arm broken already. Ghita did the damage not Overeem.

Nobody said that didn't count regardless. Context does matter when having these discussions however.
 
If he was still doing a tournament and fighting 4-5 other times every year like back in the k1 heyday he would not be undefeated. He only faces what would be a ranked opponent about once every 2 years and the last time he actually dominated a ranked opponent was Adegbuyi back in 2015 when Benny had only been fighting for 3 or 4 years. As much as everyone wants to take away from Alistair he beat more top ranked opponents in one night than rico has beaten in the past 4 years.

I also love how some of you will claim rico breaking Badr's arm as a legit win while at the same time saying Alistair breaking saki's arm does not count

Even if he was still doing a tournament and fighting 4-5 other times every year he might still be undefeated. Sure he was knocked down a few times in his most recent big fights but still didn't lose. You say "he faces what would be ranked opponent about once every 2 years" but he fought 3 times this year and apart from last year he usually fights 3 to 4 times a year (he was even fighting like 4 to 6 times a year from 2010 to 2012). And it's not like he's ducking people.

It's great to look at the K-1 heyday and discuss "what if" but what we see is a HW champ on a 15-win streak who has beaten all the top guys at least twice (Ben Saddick, Adegbuyi, Hari). Sure heavyweight kickboxing is not what it once was but that shouldn't be used to discredit Rico when all the other guys of today are not capable of doing anything close to what he's achieving. Honestly who can you see beat him at this point? Overeem?

Alistair didn't beat more "top ranked" fighters that night btw. Alistair beat 2 undersized light heavyweights (one with a broken arm coming to the fight) and an old man in Aerts who had been just been physically demolished in his win vs Schilt the same night. Sure all 3 are big names but is that really more impressive than beating a fresh Ben Saddick, a fresh Badr Hari or a fresh Adegbuyi twice each (real heavyweights)? Also as some others said Alistair didn't break Saki's arm, Saki came to the fight with the broken arm and fought Ubereem with one arm (he couldn't and didn't throw his right hand at all) and still managed to knock him down with a spinning kick. He needed a miracle to win with 1 arm. Here's the fight if you want to see for yourself:


And here's old man Aerts facing Overeem after getting damaged by Schilt:


Great for Overeem to have won a K-1 WGP, but what is laughable is when people use that to mock K-1 because "even MMA fighter Overeem" won a K-1 WGP, while it was honestly one of the easiest paths to victory across 18 years of K-1 WGP.
 
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If he was still doing a tournament and fighting 4-5 other times every year like back in the k1 heyday he would not be undefeated. He only faces what would be a ranked opponent about once every 2 years and the last time he actually dominated a ranked opponent was Adegbuyi back in 2015 when Benny had only been fighting for 3 or 4 years. As much as everyone wants to take away from Alistair he beat more top ranked opponents in one night than rico has beaten in the past 4 years.

I also love how some of you will claim rico breaking Badr's arm as a legit win while at the same time saying Alistair breaking saki's arm does not count

What has Reem beating an undersized HW, an old and battered Aerts, and a broken Saki a million years ago got to do with who Rico faces now? Rico can only fight who Glory sign and put him in there with.

Also, nobody discredited Reem's GP win... i brought up the GP and said Reem was fortunate, which he was, it's a fact. I'm not blaming Reem, i'm just saying he had one of the easiest GP runs in K1 history.
 
What has Reem beating an undersized HW, an old and battered Aerts, and a broken Saki a million years ago got to do with who Rico faces now? Rico can only fight who Glory sign and put him in there with.

Also, nobody discredited Reem's GP win... i brought up the GP and said Reem was fortunate, which he was, it's a fact. I'm not blaming Reem, i'm just saying he had one of the easiest GP runs in K1 history.
Yeah I don’t think anybody would disagree that Reem was a top 3 HW at the time but we all know that the best fighter doesn’t always win the tournament.
 
What has Reem beating an undersized HW, an old and battered Aerts, and a broken Saki a million years ago got to do with who Rico faces now? Rico can only fight who Glory sign and put him in there with.

Also, nobody discredited Reem's GP win... i brought up the GP and said Reem was fortunate, which he was, it's a fact. I'm not blaming Reem, i'm just saying he had one of the easiest GP runs in K1 history.
I was not the one bring up Alistair opponents it was you who made every excuse for why Reems wins were no good.
Rico has had the easiest run of opponents in hw kb history and anytime he doesn't face a scrub he gets knocked down
 
I was not the one bring up Alistair opponents it was you who made every excuse for why Reems wins were no good.
Rico has had the easiest run of opponents in hw kb history and anytime he doesn't face a scrub he gets knocked down

It's not an excuse though, it's the truth.. everyone who watched the grand prix when it happened knows that Overeem was fortunate with the opponents he faced and conditions they were in come fight time. He won the GP i know, maybe he would have won it regardless, but the facts are facts and anyone who doesn't understand that needs to go back and watch every match from the GP and then tell me he wasn't fortunate. To clarify i'm saying fortunate, not lucky.

Also, like i said Rico is Glory champ and the rest of the HW division is scattered through different orgs... what can he do? So what if he has hard fights that he has to come back from, he makes it work every time.

I'm not some Reem hater and Rico nuthugger, in fact i want Kryklia to sign with Glory and beat Rico, but i can't take anything away from Rico and what he's done.
 
The first fight was a clean loss. Not going to get into this tired argument again. Getting injured by a legal strike and not being able or not wanting to continue is a TKO. End of story.

If you want to talk about definitive wins, Badr hasn't had a definitive win in about 5 or 6 years. That certainly seems like someone about to topple one of the most dominant kickboxers ever.

And no, I wouldn't have said it wasn't a win had the doctors stopped the fight. But the difference is that Rico overcame adversity and snatched victory from the jaws of defeat, the opposite of what Badr has been doing lately, against worse opponents than Rico. He's not in the position to be dethroning Rico anytime soon, how you can claim that when he's getting knocked out by unknown fighters is ridiculous. And I'm not someone who hates Badr like a lot of others seem to.
I never said it wasn't officially a TKO to get a victory by doctor stoppage. I said winning that way isn't definitive and most fighters believe the same too. Otherwise there wouldn't be rematches after these kinds of things happen. You think what you want though, I honestly could care less.

{<shrug}

You are right. True Double standard right there. We even say Alistair didn't beat the best fresh because they either lost when should have won, or their previous fight they beat their body up.
There's bias all over this thread, even after calling it out these guys still deny it. They also only remember and bring up points that benefit what they're saying. "Badr got knocked out in his last fight" Yeah he did but they also don't mention how he dropped the guy twice before getting Koe'd himself, by a head kick on the temple that would drop anyone, not just Badr.

So Rico breaks Badr's arm with a kick (not sure if it was officially broken) and that isn't a definitive loss? Huh?
You could argue it was definitive, but i think most people wouldn't, otherwise they would never do rematches for fights that end this way.
 
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I was not the one bring up Alistair opponents it was you who made every excuse for why Reems wins were no good.
Rico has had the easiest run of opponents in hw kb history and anytime he doesn't face a scrub he gets knocked down
And yet all the legends have been straight up KO'ed by actual scrubs, outside of Semmy who still took an L to Hong Man Choi.

Rico gets graded on such a BS scale by some people. If he blew through JBS people would just say he wasn't that good. Would make no difference.
 
You could argue it was definitive, but i think most people wouldn't, otherwise they would never do rematches for fights that end this way.
If Rico KO'ed Badr in the first round they still would have done a rematch 1000%. It was the biggest fight for them to make to draw attention, as Badr is a big draw.
 
Lol. Nope. 2010 Ubereem, maybe. Current one, no. Rico displayed extreme heart last night. At some point his vision of one eye looked completely blocked by a terrible injury. You forget Saddik is a beast... he survived his onslaught. Overeem was always going to lose, though he had a punchers chance.
Isn't Reem back on the horse meat? Do we have any idea what to expect from him? He may be a shell of himself still, but I know Vitor looked 100% different out of the USADA pool. I agree and think both guys should win, but I will not be totally shocked if Ubereem returns and crushes again.
 
Isn't Reem back on the horse meat? Do we have any idea what to expect from him? He may be a shell of himself still, but I know Vitor looked 100% different out of the USADA pool. I agree and think both guys should win, but I will not be totally shocked if Ubereem returns and crushes again.
This is Glory not K-1, people have been caught and suspended for positive tests in Glory, including Badr Hari. This doesn't give Overeem a greenlight to start juicing. Wouldn't be good for him anyways as he just spent many years getting his body back to normal after hitting the horse heavily.
 
If Rico KO'ed Badr in the first round they still would have done a rematch 1000%. It was the biggest fight for them to make to draw attention, as Badr is a big draw.
Yeah.. you're probably right. Rematch would happen regardless, but either way.. I doubt we'll be seeing a trilogy fight with the both of them anytime soon cause Rico vs Reem is the bigger draw at the moment. Hell, I'd even argue that Reem Vs Badr would pull more money at this point than Badr Vs Rico 3. Simply cause I don't think people are interested in them running it back again anytime soon.
 
Yeah.. you're probably right. Rematch would happen regardless, but either way.. I doubt we'll be seeing a trilogy fight with the both of them anytime soon cause Rico vs Reem is the bigger draw at the moment. Hell, I'd even argue that Reem Vs Badr would pull more money at this point than Badr Vs Rico 3. Simply cause I don't think people are interested in them running it back again anytime soon.
They wont do a trilogy unless miraculously Badr actually wins a fight. Glory likely planned on Badr beating Wrzosek and Rico beating Reem so that they could follow up with Badr vs Reem III but both of those plans fell through. Likely they will go on with Rico vs Reem when both are ready to fight. Badr can't even beat scrubs, I say they give him Wrzosek again to save face, or Benny which is a more dangerous fight for him, then have him fight Reem. They should for sure do Badr vs Reem III while they have him under contract just hard to do with Badr taking all these losses.
 
They wont do a trilogy unless miraculously Badr actually wins a fight. Glory likely planned on Badr beating Wrzosek and Rico beating Reem so that they could follow up with Badr vs Reem III but both of those plans fell through. Likely they will go on with Rico vs Reem when both are ready to fight. Badr can't even beat scrubs, I say they give him Wrzosek again to save face, or Benny which is a more dangerous fight for him, then have him fight Reem. They should for sure do Badr vs Reem III while they have him under contract just hard to do with Badr taking all these losses.
Does anyone actually care to see Badr rematch those 2? I honestly think Badr Vs Reem II is the only appealing fight right now with Badr on the losing skid. It's also a fight where Reem has a very good chance of winning.
 
They wont do a trilogy unless miraculously Badr actually wins a fight. Glory likely planned on Badr beating Wrzosek and Rico beating Reem so that they could follow up with Badr vs Reem III but both of those plans fell through. Likely they will go on with Rico vs Reem when both are ready to fight. Badr can't even beat scrubs, I say they give him Wrzosek again to save face, or Benny which is a more dangerous fight for him, then have him fight Reem. They should for sure do Badr vs Reem III while they have him under contract just hard to do with Badr taking all these losses.

Feed Badr to Plazibat.

Wait.. they're teammates aren't they? Or at least friends. Maybe Badr vs Pacas.
 
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Does anyone actually care to see Badr rematch those 2? I honestly think Badr Vs Reem II is the only appealing fight right now with Badr on the losing skid. It's also a fight where Reem has a very good chance of winning.
I wouldn't be mad if they did that, but likely they will continue with the Rico vs Reem fight so Badr needs something to do in the meantime, and he desperately needs a win. He can beat Wrzosek easily if he just fights intelligently.
 
I wouldn't be mad if they did that, but likely they will continue with the Rico vs Reem fight so Badr needs something to do in the meantime, and he desperately needs a win. He can beat Wrzosek easily if he just fights intelligently.
I think he's too emotional to do that.
 
styles make fight, we all know Rico is slow starter and anyone who comes out aggressive agains Rico will look good. You wanna beat Rico you have to beat him rounds 3,4 and 5. Talent pool in KB is not as deep as it was in past but Rico would give trouble to any fighter from any era.
 
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