Scott Coker is a hypocrite regarding fighter compensation

Then why are we holding the UFC to a different standard than everyone else???
They have the most revenue, so they set industry wages. I don't think people grasp that the UFC has market share globally of 75 percent or more. They set reservation wges.
Their number one priority is to make money. They do it better than almost every other relevant MMA company combined.
Absolutely
They also pay more & offer more opportunities (via brand recognition) than every other MMA company.
This is a side effect of monopsony power, you can be paying the highest wages in your industry but still depressing them. For a non-fight example, that's what happened in the logistics industry with Amazon. Yes, they technically pay the most, but they also are paying less than what wages would be in a competitive market after they bought up all the competition. Same situation to an extent in mma and with the UFC.
Like another poster said (paraphrasing), a bigger piece of the pie is irrelevant if the pie is too small to matter.

Would you rather 50% of $1000 or 10% of $1,000,000?
No doubt being in the UFC pays better for most fighters, other than a pretty select class in Bellator. Doesn't mean that's "good" or even healthy for the market that kind of situation.
 
They have the most revenue, so they set industry wages. I don't think people grasp that the UFC has market share globally of 75 percent or more. They set reservation wges.

Absolutely

This is a side effect of monopsony power, you can be paying the highest wages in your industry but still depressing them. For a non-fight example, that's what happened in the logistics industry with Amazon. Yes, they technically pay the most, but they also are paying less than what wages would be in a competitive market after they bought up all the competition. Same situation to an extent in mma and with the UFC.

No doubt being in the UFC pays better for most fighters, other than a pretty select class in Bellator. Doesn't mean that's "good" or even healthy for the market that kind of situation.
Regardless of the UFC's market share, they're under no obligation to pay more than what the fighters will agree to. They're not a charity.

It's so easy for you guys to spend other people's money.
 
Regardless of the UFC's market share, they're under no obligation to pay more than what the fighters will agree to. They're not a charity.

It's so easy for you guys to spend other people's money.
Who makes that money that? Does Dana and Ari show up every Saturday and entertain everyone by fighting other UFC shareholders?

I agree they are under no obligation, but you saying "other people's money" as if Dana is personally involved in the cage and what people pay to watch.
 
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Regardless of the UFC's market share, they're under no obligation to pay more than what the fighters will agree to. They're not a charity.

It's so easy for you guys to spend other people's money.
Course they aren't a charity. But dealing with a market as messed up at mma generally takes outside intervention, either lawsuits or regulatory changes.

But as a consumer, more competition and better compensated fighters make for a better product for myself. Hence my interest in. Most businesses can't hit the UFC's profit margins because they have to follow laws and regulations the UFC doesnt.
 
Dear Lord:
1. Markets don't magically pay market value. They pay what can be negotiated by labor.
2. Even if markets magically paid market value, that would imply a competitive, healthy market. MMA is clearly not that.
3. Do you not understand how monopsony power affects employee/contractor compensation? Or conversely, do you not understand what drives wages up for labor, particularly athletes?
Soooo create a union like everyone else, and every other sport has had to do in the past, hooray you made it to the end ohhhh wait top MMA athletes are happy with their pay and won't strike or form a union hmm, why? Why won't the lower tier fighters do it? Oh they are replaceable and losing them doesn't affect UFC like a real sports team. Sounds like the athletes have the ability to change things but won't. So why is that the UFCs problem? UFC is not just a league it's a brand that was built
 
Regardless of the UFC's market share, they're under no obligation to pay more than what the fighters will agree to. They're not a charity.

It's so easy for you guys to spend other people's money.
Is Dana your dad or something? Why do you care if the UFC spends more money paying its fighters lol.
 
Is Dana your dad or something? Why do you care if the UFC spends more money paying its fighters lol.
Why do you care if they don't?

They're already spending enough to get most of the best fighters under contract. What changes, for you, if the fighters earn more?
 
the funniest thing on sherdog is people pretending they care about what fighters make.

its always been and always will be just another thing people use to bash the org they dont like.

Yeah fighters in UFC should make more and fighters in number 2 org even on prelims shouldnt make 4k but since fighters dont care enough to do anything about it why should I care what they get paid?
 
I mean, Bellator's insurance is worse but they also have less money to insure fighters with. Not exactly a glowing comparison for the UFC.

Do you have anything facts to backup that statement? I have not heard anything from any current or former Bellator fighters complaining about injuries that have not been fixed by the company.


Then why are we holding the UFC to a different standard than everyone else???

Their number one priority is to make money. They do it better than almost every other relevant MMA company combined.

They also pay more & offer more opportunities (via brand recognition) than every other MMA company.

Like another poster said (paraphrasing), a bigger piece of the pie is irrelevant if the pie is too small to matter.

Would you rather 50% of $1000 or 10% of $1,000,000?

Most MMA Orgs pay fighters above 40 - 50% of total revenue. The UFC pays only 12-18% of total revenue. So its the UFC thats using a different standard when paying its fighters a much smaller percentage of its revenue. If UFC had to pay their fighters an equal percentage like other Orgs do they would not be paying all the paid shills they have had on the payroll for over 10 years. They also would not be able to promote events as much as they do now. They would have to release possibly 25+% of the fighters they currently have on the payroll and the playing field with other Orgs would even out and would become very competitive. This would actually be the best thing that could happen to MMA. UFC would no longer be a monopoly.
 
Soooo create a union like everyone else, and every other sport has had to do in the past, hooray you made it to the end ohhhh wait top MMA athletes are happy with their pay and won't strike or form a union hmm, why
1. Unions is not what drive athlete pay, it's competition.
2. Yeah, create a union in a sport with individual athletes who can't afford to sit out and strike and where you need 50 percent to sign for a card check even though the work force is global and speaks dozens of languages and the UFC has high turnover. Gee, I wonder why a union hasn't happened yet. It hasn't even happened in boxing ever, and you think it will happen in the UFC, which historically targets people who try to organize?
So why is that the UFCs problem?
Who said it was the UFC's problem?
Do you have anything facts to backup that statement? I have not heard anything from any current or former Bellator fighters complaining about injuries that have not been fixed by the company.
Never seen an official doc for Bellator insurance, but I can't imagine it's better than the UFC's given how much less revenue they have to play around with. That and the fact they spend so much time on reservation land does not fill me with confidence on the quality of their health care.
 
1. Unions is not what drive athlete pay, it's competition.
2. Yeah, create a union in a sport with individual athletes who can't afford to sit out and strike and where you need 50 percent to sign for a card check even though the work force is global and speaks dozens of languages and the UFC has high turnover. Gee, I wonder why a union hasn't happened yet. It hasn't even happened in boxing ever, and you think it will happen in the UFC, which historically targets people who try to organize?

Who said it was the UFC's problem?

Never seen an official doc for Bellator insurance, but I can't imagine it's better than the UFC's given how much less revenue they have to play around with. That and the fact they spend so much time on reservation land does not fill me with confidence on the quality of their health care.
Mohegan Sun Commission is run by the head of the Association of Boxing Commissions and Combative Sports, Mike Mazzulli. So in terms of health stuff, they actually get quite vigorious testing
 
Mohegan Sun Commission is run by the head of the Association of Boxing Commissions and Combative Sports, Mike Mazzulli. So in terms of health stuff, they actually get quite vigorious testing
Fair, I suppose it's gotten better but I've heard enough horror stories from fighters back in the day, plus Dada/Kimbo happened. So fair to say I'm a tad biased. Nothing personal really, promoters gonna promote and do shady stuff.
 
Think of it this way, most fighters never benefit from the PI really. Ask them if they are happy the UFC built it or if they would rather fighters have gotten a 10 or 15 million bump in wage share. You think they'll say the former or the latter?
Despite tonnes of fighters coming out. And saying they have benefitted from the PI.

If you wanna bash the UFC at least be honest about it and not just make crap up

Also, you are suggesting an either or situation that did and never will exist. The world isn’t that black and white.
 
Because you have to be either very smooth brained or a fan boy to not understand how this post about Bellator prelim fighters doesn't absolve the UFC of it's practices
Bellator fanboy/shill confirmed. You must be very smooth brained,
 
Why do you care if they don't?

They're already spending enough to get most of the best fighters under contract. What changes, for you, if the fighters earn more?
How do you know if I care or not, lol? It was my first comment in the thread.

And as for your question - I might be a mixed martial artist, or my family, or my friend, or I am a fan of one who doesn't make a lot of money or I simply would like people to not unnecessarily be starving artist. Also, if fighters are paid better than more athletes join the sport and less athletes will retire prematurely before their careers take off (you're just talking under the assumption that because the UFC is the #1 MMA league it has nowhere to go, which is incorrect).

So what would be your hypothetical reason?
 
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Despite tonnes of fighters coming out. And saying they have benefitted from the PI.
Dude, the UFC has 600 fighters on roster. If 50 of them say they benefit from it, that's less than 15 percent. Like I said, most UFC fighters probably never benefit from the PI. Think how many fighters never even fight in Vegas (at least in normal times pre-Covid/post Covid).
Also, you are suggesting an either or situation that did and never will exist. The world isn’t that black and white.
You realize that fighter wage share in UFC budgeting includes the PI? It's not a 1 for 1 substitution, but expenses are expense at the end of the day, and it's common knowledge the UFC has a fighter wage share cap.
 
Dude, the UFC has 600 fighters on roster. If 50 of them say they benefit from it, that's less than 15 percent. Like I said, most UFC fighters probably never benefit from the PI. Think how many fighters never even fight in Vegas (at least in normal times pre-Covid/post Covid).

You realize that fighter wage share in UFC budgeting includes the PI? It's not a 1 for 1 substitution, but expenses are expense at the end of the day, and it's common knowledge the UFC has a fighter wage share cap.
You're just one of those bores who loves to whine about fighter pay and bash the main org. Its boring. The PI brings a lot of great stuff to fighters who don't understand modern High performance support.
 
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