Lol at guys like Ngannou in private jets with half million $ wacthes complaining about fighter pay

I'd agree if your statement were true, but I severely doubt Ngannou owns a private jet.
 
They don’t get paid to fight for 15 minutes they get paid to train themselves into the ground all year round and make sacrifices.
I agree, however, it's impossible to compare apples to apples. The corporate world, people have been studying since 5 years old amd paying to go to college to get that job. Lol
 
Personally I don't agree with this, guys like Francis get paid just fine. Its the guys lower down the card who need to get paid more. Francis getting a couple extra million dollars isn't going to make him a better fighter and I don't care that he can't afford more Rolex's and sports cars. But for the guys on the prelims on their first contract getting paid more can mean the difference between being able to quit their day job or move to a better camp. If being a UFC fighter is just an opportunity and not a career then that is going to drive away certain athletes who won't be willing to make that gamble with their time and their bodies. A fighter who never cracks the top 10 but consistently fights for the UFC for years should make enough to live a middle class lifestyle and be financially secure.

Exactly. Good post all around.

It is really hard to determine what guys at the top should earn. Francis I think unrealistically values himself. I don't think his a bigger draw than Izzy/Usman etc. His biggest money fight is Jones and will be Jones carrying him to that pay as the main draw. I think a boxing match with him as the main draw wouldn't do anywhere near as good as he thinks. Watching Paul make money on his youtube fame isn't the norm. It is also hard to feel sorry for guys arguing about many million they should get. It is easy to feel empathy for UFC "professional athletes" for which the UFC is actually their secondary job due to low pay. Being able to train full time = better fights.

Reminds me of this wonderful southpark scene about effect of music downloads on the rich
 
TS user name checks out. I have never met a BJJ practitioner who doesn’t whine after losing
 
No one needs a 500k watch while your home country has starving children. Js
 
Personally I don't agree with this, guys like Francis get paid just fine.
I suppose it comes down to if you want them paid off value or a moral scale, for lack of better term. I sympathetic to the latter but it's an argument that appeals to far less people I imagine.
But for the guys on the prelims on their first contract getting paid more can mean the difference between being able to quit their day job or move to a better camp.
Also sympathetic to this, but I would be careful for 2 reasons.
1. Practically, wage share increases are never going to happen bottom up, they have to go the other way because most prelim fighters are replaceable and they generate little revenue to be blunt.
2. The UFC is nowhere near this point, but I would be careful massively increasing prelim pay because you do need a good amount of turnover. You don't a version of the Arlovski problem where fighters are sticking around only for the paydays when they clearly don't have it anymore or aren't cut out for it.
Certain guys at the top should be paid less if anything, for instance Jones with more money is just a greater menace to society.
I would hilariously but also semi seriously argue Jones would be less of a menace if he was paid more and active. Idle hands and all that.
Invest in the lower end fighters to build the sport, not in these Divas at the top so they can total sports cars and burn through cocaine.
I would be curious how many fighters stick around and try to work their way up the latter because of what they are being paid currently or the mirage of what they can make if they are the top guys. Combat sports have always been a ponzi scheme of sort, everyone thinks they can be champ even though it's clearly illogical given there are only a dozen slots for that or whatever.
you and every other do nothing bitch on this thing are the reason why Ngannou and the others don't get paid. because you got no heart, and no backbone except to post safely from your basement about how "rich man bad" and how terrible it is for dumb people to get taken advantage of. go DO something.
Where did I say rich man bad? lol. I clearly don't think so since Ngannou is in the top couple percent for American income atm. I like better paid fighters since they perform better. Get over yourself if seeing opinions on a forum offends your delicate sensibilities.
 
If you now speak of CAREERS, one must note that lower income economies, which probably consist of a MAJORITY of the world's population, only have per capita income of around 1000 dollars.
Sometimes it helps to know more about the world, i.e. Beyond the cozy comforts of your Western abode.
I mean...how many fighters in the UFC are from say, sub-Saharan Africa or Haiti? I get context, but it's not particularly relevant here.
The corporate world, people have been studying since 5 years old amd paying to go to college to get that job. Lol
Uhhh, have you ever hung around elite institutions? Sure some do, but plenty fail their way upwards and are bailed out by connections lol.
I mean, is it a room, board, training facilities, and sparring partners provided type of thing or is it more personal training (fitness) and expired Reebok coupons?
No room and board, meal plans, advice, facilities, etc. IT's really a benefit only if you train out of Vegas. There are also downsides to it given the UFC likely collects data on fighters.
 
Now that, bud, is interesting.
If you now speak of CAREERS, one must note that lower income economies, which probably consist of a MAJORITY of the world's population, only have per capita income of around 1000 dollars.
Sometimes it helps to know more about the world, i.e. Beyond the cozy comforts of your Western abode.
This is a very important point to remember. USA (to take one country) is only around 4.3% of the entire planet's population. Not political or economic influence, not GDP, but...purely headcount of Human Beings Walking this Planet. About 4.3%, that's it.

In other words, 95.7% of the human existence on this Planet (our Planet) is non-USA citizens.
It's a relatively small point but every now and then it needs to be said to bring some perspective.
 
I'd agree if your statement were true, but I severely doubt Ngannou owns a private jet.
He does not, you're right.

He is nowhere near, absolutely nowhere near, the level of Available Capital to consider or want a private plane, in any sense. Gulfstream Jets (to take one company) are hugely expensive. 15million+ ish.

He might RENT a private plane (even doubt that) or be gifted a ride, that's it (probably he is too tight-fisted to even do that, seriously). He just likes the ...IMAGE of it.
 
What other athletes can only compete 3-4 times a year and don't have their training paid for?

Not sure what this is trying to prove? If ngannou fought 3-4 times a year he would have 3-4x as much money at least and this wouldn't even be a topic.
 
No one needs a 500k watch while your home country has starving children. Js

There are plenty of starving children right here in America, no one needs to be a billionaire in America then, let's spread the wealth.

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They literally don't pay for any fighters' training camp. They pay them for the fight. The fighter is expected to train as part of preparing for the fight that gives him the actual payoff....

Why would the UFC pay for a fighters training camp? The NBA doesn't pay for the players off the court costs. Well documented players like Lebron spend a fortune of their own money on their fitness and skills in order to recoup that being a top player with a high salary.
 
Ummm......., almost EVERY other sport does that. Pro football, basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, rugby, cricket, etc... They all provide training facilities and coaches (both on AND off season), doctors, physical therapy, rehab, nutrition, medical insurance, travel expenses, hotel expenses. And that's ON TOP OF the athlete's salary.

The NBA provides that or the team?
 
There are plenty of starving children right here in America, no one needs to be a billionaire in America then, let's spread the wealth.

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Dude, he’s from a third world country. How do you represent? With a 500k timepiece?
 
It's the difference between employees and contractors. And also, does the UFC not use footage featuring fighters not fighting and sell merch with their likeness? Or say, the UFC videogame.

I swear, those people would rather fighters just get off their couch and show up to fight with no training lol.

All that's in the contracts they sign willingly.
 
All that's in the contracts they sign willingly.
And? Contacts aren't automically unbreakable upon signing. For example, one can't sign themselves into indentured servitude.
 
To go and perform to a level where they can make repeat income from it requires year round commitment.


Perhaps a better argument would be to say that people train year round anyway, and actually pay to do so. But again, if these people miss a session here and there then they don’t pay it back in the octagon as their cardio fails them fighting a guy who never missed a day, a guy who doesn’t even drink because his religion doesn’t allow it.
That’s irrelevant. Nobody cares how much they train. If they don’t fight, they don’t get paid at all. If they fight 6 times per year, they get paid 6 times. They get paid only for the time they spent competing. In other major sports, like basketball or football they actually get paid to train, even if they don’t compete.
 
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