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nah...kickboxing is karate and kickboxing came from karate is the same thing in the context provided.

You are trying too hard.
Bro you’re the only one trying too hard here.
Kickboxing having roots in karate does not make kickboxing karate in 2022. In 1960 you’d be right. In 1970 you might still be right. But by 1990, they were clearly two separate things.
Are all kickboxers karateka?

wait is this spacetime again?
 
Bro you’re the only one trying too hard here.
Kickboxing having roots in karate does not make kickboxing karate in 2022. In 1960 you’d be right. In 1970 you might still be right. But by 1990, they were clearly two separate things.
Are all kickboxers karateka?

wait is this spacetime again?
As the resident Karate nuthugger I will be objective and side with you on this.

Kickboxing comes from Karate just like BJJ comes from Judo - but the different rules and different focus make both kickboxing and BJJ separate martial arts. As much as ppl like to joke that BJJ is Basically Just Judo ;) it's not. Same with kickboxing.
 
As the resident Karate nuthugger I will be objective and side with you on this.

Kickboxing comes from Karate just like BJJ comes from Judo - but the different rules and different focus make both kickboxing and BJJ separate martial arts. As much as ppl like to joke that BJJ is Basically Just Judo ;) it's not. Same with kickboxing.
Brazilian Ju Jitsu comes from a Judoka maybe, but not from Judo. Judo is Japanese Ju Jitsu with a new name and new rules. They got rid of JITSU for DO... AikiDO, Karate DO, JuDO
 
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Brazilian Ju Jitsu comes from a Judoka maybe, but not from Judo. Judo is Japanese Ju Jitsu with a new name and new rules. They got rid of JITSU for DO... AikiDO, Karate DO, JuDO
Judo got rid of a lot more than just one word lmao, it’s literally a whole separate martial art.
 
Well they need to have a legit karate background with black belts. I can’t imagine there is a ton of those.

And why do you not want kickboxers coming in to karate combat? Karate combat looks nothing like karate anyways lol
this was the original comment I responded to, the discussion got somewhat sidetracked into a completely different thing. Somebody saying that kickboxing is nothing like karate, which is false. It's origin comes from karate, and karate fighters easily transition from karate to kickboxing with a bit of adjustments and training. Sure, over the years other disciplines were added to make kickboxing what it is today, but there is no denying that kickboxing is rooted deeply in karate. Pretty much all of the founders of the sport come from karate and even many celebrity legends like Chuck Norris, Van Damme, Benny The Jet Urquidez all have karate backgrounds and had a place in legitimizing kickboxing.
 
this was the original comment I responded to, the discussion got somewhat sidetracked into a completely different thing. Somebody saying that kickboxing is nothing like karate, which is false. It's origin comes from karate, and karate fighters easily transition from karate to kickboxing with a bit of adjustments and training. Sure, over the years other disciplines were added to make kickboxing what it is today, but there is no denying that kickboxing is rooted deeply in karate. Pretty much all of the founders of the sport come from karate and even many celebrity legends like Chuck Norris, Van Damme, Benny The Jet Urquidez all have karate backgrounds and had a place in legitimizing kickboxing.
Ummm…maybe I’ve missed something but I have never before heard of chuck Norris being a kickboxer.
The only record I can find for him is point fighting…
 
Ummm…maybe I’ve missed something but I have never before heard of chuck Norris being a kickboxer.
The only record I can find for him is point fighting…
The Early Tournaments Back in the late 60s and 70s, like the World Karate Championships (full contact, not point fighiting) were the pre-cursor to the kickboxing as the sport and could be considered the first kickboxing tournaments. They were the closest thing to mixed martial arts that we have today, or at least mixed standup arts. Chuck was involved with al the greats of that time and actually competed against Allen Steen, Joe Lewis, Arnold Urquidez, and Louis Delgado (and beat them)
 
The Early Tournaments Back in the late 60s and 70s, like the World Karate Championships (full contact, not point fighiting) were the pre-cursor to the kickboxing as the sport and could be considered the first kickboxing tournaments. They were the closest thing to mixed martial arts that we have today, or at least mixed standup arts. Chuck was involved with al the greats of that time and actually competed against Allen Steen, Joe Lewis, Arnold Urquidez, and Louis Delgado (and beat them)
Provide videos, every fight I’ve seen was point fighting, and no those point fighting tournaments were not precursors to modern kickboxing.

chuck Norris was point fighting at the same time actual kickboxing was being developed in Japan

chuck Norris had 7 fights according to tapology.


Here is footage of chuck’s fight against joe Lewis. It was a point fight. Full contact doesn’t mean not point fighting. Point fighting got softer and softer as younger and younger people took over the martial art.

man’s I’m not sure what opponent this is, but again, clearly point fighting. Never hear of Allen steen before.


As you can see, the wore full gi, and obi, in stances that have barely changed since in the point fighting world, and after a point is scored they stop and reset.
Chuck Norris was a point fighter, not a kickboxer.

I believe van damme was also a point fighter and told someone he was a kickboxer early on because of language barrier. The only footage I can find of him competing looks an awful lot like point fighting.


so I’d love to see footage of chuck norris doing real kickboxing.
 
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Provide videos, every fight I’ve seen was point fighting, and no those point fighting tournaments were not precursors to modern kickboxing.

chuck Norris was point fighting at the same time actual kickboxing was being developed in Japan
I'm not your personal researcher. If you want to find videos, go find them yourselves. And no, Japan was not the only place where kickboxing was originated, you just lack the knowledge to continue this discussion.
 
I'm not your personal researcher. If you want to find videos, go find them yourselves. And no, Japan was not the only place where kickboxing was originated, you just lack the knowledge to continue this discussion.
The answer of every boob on the internet with nothing to back up what they’re saying.

I’ve looked up Chuck Norris fights. Every single one that has footage of it is point fighting.
and yes modern kickboxing as we know it comes from Japan. Stop it, you’re embarrassing yourself.

karate had only really just come to the US by the 50s, you’re not actually trying to say that the US was magically developing a martial art it just got, into something resembling modern kickboxing?
 
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The man credited with opening the first karate school in the US was Robert Trias, in 1946.
Karate did not grow and spread at a rate fast enough to claim it was evolving into kickboxing by the 50s.
By the 60s yes there were karateka in early kickboxing fights in the US but those were blatantly using the rules adopted in Japan, or slight variations of those rules. they were not independently evolved.
 
1970 was when the first KB fights were held in the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kickboxing

if you don’t like wiki, here’s Columbia university.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/kickboxing/history.html

and if Columbia university isn’t good enough here’s some random websites.
https://atakick.com/the-history-of-kickboxing/
https://sportsmatik.com/sports-corner/sports-know-how/kickboxing/about
https://sportsmatik.com/sports-corner/sports-know-how/kickboxing/about
https://mmachannel.com/what-is-the-history-of-kickboxing-what-you-need-to-know/

So you see, people who aren’t full of shit and know what they’re talking about are able to provide sources.

but I feel like I just fed a troll a whole thanksgiving and Christmas feast.

Good job spacetime.
 
The answer of every boob on the internet with nothing to back up what they’re saying.

I’ve looked up Chuck Norris fights. Every single one that has footage of it is point fighting.
and yes modern kickboxing as we know it comes from Japan. Stop it, you’re embarrassing yourself.

karate had only really just come to the US by the 50s, you’re not actually trying to say that the US was magically developing a martial art it just got, into something resembling modern kickboxing?
you really too dumb to respond to. Don't know the difference between Japanese and American kickboxing and where it originated and how. Then there is dutch kickboxing and so on....
 
you really too dumb to respond to. Don't know the difference between Japanese and American kickboxing and where it originated and how. Then there is dutch kickboxing and so on....
Bro you have to be a troll.
Can a mod please ban spacetime again?
 
Judo got rid of a lot more than just one word lmao, it’s literally a whole separate martial art.
Is just the throwing game of JJJ, and Kano reconsidered to keep some ground techniques when JJJ people submitted some Judokas, but the master of the Gracies was out of Japan already, he learned JJJ ground in Europe and Catch maybe
 
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