Realistic knife defence against resistance. Combat sports based.

[listrahtes]

That is 99% of unarmed knife defense systems.

The most realistic we tried to train was with a chalk like marker on the knife edges for sparring (It still doesnt come that close I guess but you at least know if you have been hit) . The only way to sufficently prepare for a knife attack in our view (if you want to fight back) was and is either a gun or have a knife / big maglite yourself ready to go.

Imo its just not worth the time of you are not a martial arts nut or soldier. Better invest the time in earning more money moving to a safer neighbourhood and avoid places and times were that can happen. Social & environmental awareness. That mitigates most of the risk of an attack.

 

[Dexter]

That is 99% of unarmed knife defense systems.

The most realistic we tried to train was with a chalk like marker on the knife edges for sparring (It still doesnt come that close I guess but you at least know if you have been hit) . The only way to sufficently prepare for a knife attack in our view (if you want to fight back) was and is either a gun or have a knife / big maglite yourself ready to go.

Imo its just not worth the time of you are not a martial arts nut or soldier. Better invest the time in earning more money moving to a safer neighbourhood and avoid places and times were that can happen. Social & environmental awareness. That mitigates most of the risk of an attack.

We have a joke in military here:

To engage in unarmed combat, a soldier must:

1) Fuck up a machine gun, a pistol, a knife, a waist belt, an entrenching tool, a bulletproof vest, and a helmet on the battlefield.
2) Find a flat area on which there is not a single stone or stick lying around.
3) Find the same stupid mofo from the other side on it.

And only after that, he can engage in hand-to-hand combat with him.

 

[SandisLL]

That is 99% of unarmed knife defense systems.

The most realistic we tried to train was with a chalk like marker on the knife edges for sparring (It still doesnt come that close I guess but you at least know if you have been hit) . The only way to sufficently prepare for a knife attack in our view (if you want to fight back) was and is either a gun or have a knife / big maglite yourself ready to go.

Imo its just not worth the time of you are not a martial arts nut or soldier. Better invest the time in earning more money moving to a safer neighbourhood and avoid places and times were that can happen. Social & environmental awareness. That mitigates most of the risk of an attack.

Well in general yes.

While it is possible to automatise movements and predict possible attack methods IF attacker does have classic training.
Like paratroopers etc.

Cos in general then for frontal attack they use 5-8 attack methods.
These are very effective strikes, and easily to predict.

IMHO most dangerous attackers are....

Pychopaths. Don't be delusional , they are very dangerous because difficult to predict areas where they will stab and will they stab or use cuts.
Also they might not concentrate only on their knfie and attack with both hands usage, etc.


Knifefighters.....
It is ....hell.

Experienced criminals.
They are very dangerous cos usually if they really want to stab someone, they will not show knife till last moment...

They often are doing for fun game " change hands " in prisons cos they have a lot of free time and prison is boring routine life.....
Also feints... not only change hands game.

Ppl with education in medicine.
It is what it is.

 

[SandisLL]

Btw this video first part posted by Listrates is part of one classic attack in knigefight.
While not done properly ....

 

[Paolo Delutis]

I've always been taught 3 things when it comes to weapons and self defense that will basically save any average person's life ...

1) be aware of your surroundings at all times,best course of action is avoidance,pay attention to people's hand positions, if weapons are visible on them , keep distance from areas where knife fights or attacks have happened

2) If your going to fight back against a knife wheeling attacker be prepared to see blood and be at peace with fact you may not or they may not walk away from the situation alive or the same as when you entered it...being mentally prepared to go all the way (till death/incapacitation) can make all the difference

3) CCT - Clear ,control .. technique...this is your attack pattern when dealing with knife or weapon attacks ..

Clear -the weapon from dangerous areas of your body (organs,face,throat)
Control -You must get control of the weapon itself or the arm(s) that are using it ASAP and create further separation from you and the weapon

And Finally technique-Use ANY AND ALL techniques your know to damage ,remove or stop the attack,attacker or weapon..and make your escape..this includes nut shots, headbutts , arm or wrist locks..throat strikes..throws.. joint breaking small or large ..whatever it takes to disarm the attacker or stop the attack..and run/leave


Anyone who follows this will significantly increase their chances of survival/escape

 

[deviake]

 

[Israelknifedefence]

A good Idea. Approved by the Israeli security forces.
It's clear though that Indiana Jones is not from the middle east. You never turn your back when they fall after shooting them (Especially not after shooting them once). Often they stand up and continue with the stabbing and they may even blow themselves up.

 

[SandisLL]

Such scenario will not work vs determined hardcore criminals. Even if you have handgun in pocket or holster.

Advise to relocate from very dangerous areas is the best solution because it isn't like in cinema or MMA...it isn't brawl in pub or even some dangerous fight 1 vs 1.
Nope.

Criminals if does have intent to stole something or attack usually are using sneaky scenario they create...
While you pay attention to one- two- three things in front of you etc, others might clean your pockets or attack from behind etc...

If you have random conflict vs one crimnal and even if there is group, you might even get away without being attacked...

If atack or theft will be previously planned in group of criminal ppl then they ....yup.
Better relocate....

 

[Israelknifedefence]

Such scenario will not work vs determined hardcore criminals. Even if you have handgun in pocket or holster.

Advise to relocate from very dangerous areas is the best solution because it isn't like in cinema or MMA...it isn't brawl in pub or even some dangerous fight 1 vs 1.
Nope.

Criminals if does have intent to stole something or attack usually are using sneaky scenario they create...
While you pay attention to one- two- three things in front of you etc, others might clean your pockets or attack from behind etc...

If you have random conflict vs one crimnal and even if there is group, you might even get away without being attacked...

If atack or theft will be previously planned in group of criminal ppl then they ....yup.
Better relocate....

Here is an interesting fact: I study in Jerusalem in one of the most major universities in Israel. 4 minutes of walk from the university building and I'm in a neighborhood which is full of stickers which support suicide bombers. relocation is not always a possibility (at least not for everyone).

 

[4daLuLZ]

Knife defence….or any self defence, is (or should) be primarily be based on situational awareness. Not special moves.

Seeing and recognising a potential developing situation.
Distance and behaviour recognition.

But here’s a good move, whip off your sweater, jacket, T-shirt anything and wrap it around your lead forearm.
Use this as your “shield”. Most knives are shit at cutting through fabric. The blade can get stuck too.
Takes a few seconds, max, to do it.

Saved me twice for sure and a potential third time. Got the scars on my right arm to prove it (22 years ago), once in 2012 and another time the guy just fucked off probabky because he recognised this wasn’t my first rodeo.

 

[SandisLL]

The biggest problem is that vs determined and experienced attacker few seconds is ethernity....endless universe.

Because they will not just wave hand with knife and talk something....
They will show knife in last moment in order not to make you ready for attack.


Even pretending that they doesn't have knife and vuala....will appear...


Knife not usable to cut? It isn't such thing, ppl are sharpening them ....


If you will have fight with real knifefighter it will be hell for you.
It will not be " special secret training " , " super secret tactique " , " mysterious belts and tittles ".

They doesn't have flowchart just to concentrate on their hand with knife as attack tool.

They does knows that they have head, 2 hands and 2 legs and might grapple at least a bit.

From attack episode with knife usage they equally will be able to use cuts and stabbing .....

The core is flowchart and mentality.

5-8 techniques how to kill ppl with knife are routine stuff.

Knifefighter doesn't have such mentality. If situation will allow to do this...they are mentally prepared for hard work in order slowly to kill you with lesser possible risk for them. Even if fight will require 5 minutes in row or more.....

 

[KnifeDefenceIsrael]

Knife defence….or any self defence, is (or should) be primarily be based on situational awareness. Not special moves.

Seeing and recognising a potential developing situation.
Distance and behaviour recognition.

But here’s a good move, whip off your sweater, jacket, T-shirt anything and wrap it around your lead forearm.
Use this as your “shield”. Most knives are shit at cutting through fabric. The blade can get stuck too.
Takes a few seconds, max, to do it.

Saved me twice for shore and a potential third time. Got the scars on my right arm to prove it (22 years ago), once in 2012 and another time the guy just fucked off probabky because he recognised this wasn’t my first rodeo.

Hey. I saw this move in books but never in real life. Thanks for you experience sharing. I personally am not crazy enough to try it out against resistance and a real knife. Therefore, I can't try and recommend it. BTW, has anyone ever seen a video in which it is used in real life?

 

[SandisLL]

Well.
If you will have really determined aggressive and experienced opponent you will wrap something in coffin. You will not have time to wrap anything. Even if will manage, blood will run on the floor and a lot of blood.

Such method is usable vs aggresive dog if guy might manage to buy time with something ....

While I don't advocate such tactique vs aggressive dog....
Maybe cos exp and I'm not an instructor.
If hands only and 0 weapons: to get normal grip on dog's neck and to start choke dog out.... this...
Dogs also are vulberable to kicks and punches... a lot btw.
While pepper spray IMHO is one from best tools to deal with angry unsuperwised dogs....or ultrasound device....

 

[SandisLL]

While wrapping hand isn't theoretically bad thing....
With very " hot " opponent you might get stabbed once + get some 1-2 cuts and 1-2 kicks or punches etc...after last line will be crossed....this....until something will be wrapped.

 

[Israelknifedefence]

While wrapping hand isn't theoretically bad thing....
With very " hot " opponent you might get stabbed once + get some 1-2 cuts and 1-2 kicks or punches etc...after last line will be crossed....this....until something will be wrapped.

Anyway, I personally think that wrapping the hand brings more disadvantages than advantages.
Unless I have a sword or something than I would prefer to do it as a substitute for a shield.

 

[KnifeDefenceIsrael]

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...cks-40-minutes-mostly-mma-highlights.4285279/

Hey. I posted a 40 minutes Highlights video of mostly Kimura Sumi gaeshi/ standing kimura (Mostly from MMA fights) in the grappling forum. That way you can analyze and learn standing Kimura attack and defense (One of the main techniques on which I based the knife defense in the video) to a much deeper depth.

 

[KnifeDefenceIsrael]

Rare!
It was talked about before. I just saw for the first time a blade hand to hand switch during an attack. The attacker even changed the grip.
It punctures to some degree the idea that during a knife attack the attacker is so crazed on adrenaline&focused on his strong hand, that he won't think of changing hands.
3:00


If somebody is familiar with additional videos where the attacker switches hands, it would be beneficial for research purposes if you share it. Thanks.

 

[rmongler]

It punctures to some degree the idea that during a knife attack the attacker is so crazed on adrenaline&focused on his strong hand, that he won't think of changing hands.

That is often true, but not something you should bet your life on, so to speak.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Rare!
It was talked about before. I just saw for the first time a blade hand to hand switch during an attack. The attacker even changed the grip.
It punctures to some degree the idea that during a knife attack the attacker is so crazed on adrenaline&focused on his strong hand, that he won't think of changing hands.
3:00


If somebody is familiar with additional videos where the attacker switches hands, it would be beneficial for research purposes if you share it. Thanks.

I remember bringing this up when talking to you about it earlier. This would happen in sparring if we went 2 on 1 for too long

 

[WDSTK]

Rare!
It was talked about before. I just saw for the first time a blade hand to hand switch during an attack. The attacker even changed the grip.
It punctures to some degree the idea that during a knife attack the attacker is so crazed on adrenaline&focused on his strong hand, that he won't think of changing hands.
3:00


If somebody is familiar with additional videos where the attacker switches hands, it would be beneficial for research purposes if you share it. Thanks.

My instructor saw a study of several hundred knife attacks, he said in not one of them did the attacker switch the knife to the other hand during the attack. Assume it could happen but probably not worth training for. In a karate school, the instructor used magic markers for knife defense. The black belts faced the lower belts who had the magic markers. After the exercise, the black belts looked like clowns. I agree with
4daLuLZ. During high school, I asked a police officer what he does if attacked by the knife. He said "take 3 steps back quickly, draw your firearm and fire.