Real Boxing Gym - Las Vegas:

Nice enough guy, terrible aptitude for boxing
 
My video addressing the issue of the "Sons of" curse:

 
I kinda knew at the time but this thread confirms I was taught mittwork for the right reasons.
Sinister said:
They mostly are used counter-productively. The main function is to make you feel like you just accomplished a lot, and to make you dependent on the coach. Meanwhile I've seen dozens of people who look like killers on mitts but can't fight a lick. Also mitts have given birth to a whole genre of "Mitt-men" who are no longer acquiescing to real trainers and just doing their job. They tend to try to take over as head coaches and then make a fighter worse.
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Hi Sinister. How hard do you want your fighters throwing?

I remember getting chewed out by a new trainer for not throwing "as hard as I could" at her, even though it was our first mitt session and obviously I had no clue if she could hold them.

But I was always taught about technique and footwork.
 
jm0b said:
I kinda knew at the time but this thread confirms I was taught mittwork for the right reasons.


Hi Sinister. How hard do you want your fighters throwing?

I remember getting chewed out by a new trainer for not throwing "as hard as I could" at her, even though it was our first mitt session and obviously I had no clue if she could hold them.

But I was always taught about technique and footwork.
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I don't really have any set degree of how hard I want them to throw. The main focus is the form, but we eventually want them to be able to throw hard while adhering to form.
 
Sinister said:
Nice enough guy, terrible aptitude for boxing
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AFAIK it wasn't his own idea to do pro boxing. Looks that some friends when he didn't had papers for basketball told him that he might do some pro boxing. He was always interested about basketball.
BTW imho he was better in sparrings than in fights. More disciplined etc..
 
Always nice to see the kids taking a crack at the sport.
What do you work on the most regarding fundamentals when teaching them?
 
The target audience of this series is other Coaches, this is the first video and it will give some perspective on just being a Coach:

 
Sinister said:
My Son broke his wrist riding his bike. So his Amateur debut will be delayed, but I'm keeping him in shape:



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I hope that he will be fine.
My friends does have one fighter...
When he was am KBer he didn't had problems to finish opponents in distance...
Until he get broken hand....
After this he looks that hestitated to throw with 100% and when they turned him into pro boxer stuff was more like fight ends on judges cards....
Before this he had something like silver in Continental am chapmpionship
....

While cos kid is young not late teen it most likely will have lesser impact on his desire to throw with full power...
 
SandisLL said:
I hope that he will be fine.
My friends does have one fighter...
When he was am KBer he didn't had problems to finish opponents in distance...
Until he get broken hand....
After this he looks that hestitated to throw with 100% and when they turned him into pro boxer stuff was more like fight ends on judges cards....
Before this he had something like silver in Continental am chapmpionship
....

While cos kid is young not late teen it most likely will have lesser impact on his desire to throw with full power...
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He's already fine, trying to wrestle and do cartwheels with one arm
 
Sinister said:
He's already fine, trying to wrestle and do cartwheels with one arm
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This is good.
Most importat thing maybe will be how willing he will be to use previously damaged hand for full power punching.
There's biggest problem.
While the younger guy is the more chances that he will not have mental bareer to use hand with full power after recovery.
It happens even with adults and then they might in rare cases throw something with 85% or 90% not alone more from stuff they previously had generated...
While often happens IF injury was when they were 16+ y.o and older....
 
Title Invitational is this weekend here in Vegas. Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. I have 6 competing, maybe 7 if my Welterweight can miracle his way out of work. Videos to come.
 
Two of the fights from yesterday. 3 of my guys fought and it was all of their 1st fights. 1st fight in tournament settings I dont stress wins, I stress the ability to throw punches, utilize a modicum of defensive liability (often overlooked all the way until fighters become Pros) mostly with movement and positioning, as well as some ability to adhere to instruction. If young fighters are agreeable to debuting in tournaments, I like to because it gets the nervousness of bigger events behind them.

This is Marcos' bout and for a long time he's been essentially afraid to compete. His Father was a Coach and was very very tough on he and his twin Brother in soccer. So Marcos developed intense anxiety, he tends to do "death spirals" mentally if things dont go well, but about 20 minutes after this fight he was able to reflect positively, critique himself without using the words "suck" or "bad" like hammers to his own head. He is already matched for another show in 2 weeks. Red corner:



This is Emiliano. I cant say how proud of this kid I am. When I got him he was quiet, shy, and almost 300lbs at 12 years-old. He could barely run. But he always showed up an had tons of heart. In the gym he tends to be more of a patient counter-puncher but he saw how these fights go and said "I'm just gonna press him." And press him he did. Also red corner:

 
This is Diego, little Ian's older Brother. He was very concerned with freezing and not throwing punches. Yeah that wasnt a problem. He did well with an opponent who was barely still a novice. I only have parts of each round because my phone was having issues:

 
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Had some fights today. Marcos fought the same opponent as in the tournament. This fight we wanted a few things different.

- slower pace
- better use of the left hand
- turning when the opponent tried to crowd him

Those things he did well. Things we wanted that he didnt do so well:

- more activity on the outside (he had bursts but not sustained)
- tight punches (at times he still punched wide or reached)
- being first



This is Marcos' twin Brother Angel. He had a difficult opponent who told me this was his first Amateur fight, in a thick accent. Pretty positive this is NOT his first Amateur fight:

 
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I asked the guy I knew about Joe Clough, he didn't know him, I told him "you had to have fought across from him many times". He knew some of the other coaches from Tacoma but I just told him, whoever else was left doesn't turn out fighters anymore. He mentioned some names but nothing about Clough.

He told me what I already know, that they are still there in tacoma, but like I said, those guys are not turning out anyone today.
 
Sinister said:
They mostly are used counter-productively. The main function is to make you feel like you just accomplished a lot, and to make you dependent on the coach. Meanwhile I've seen dozens of people who look like killers on mitts but can't fight a lick. Also mitts have given birth to a whole genre of "Mitt-men" who are no longer acquiescing to real trainers and just doing their job. They tend to try to take over as head coaches and then make a fighter worse.
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I don't disagree. They tend to be fitness coaches not tacticians. It's a combat sport after all. I'm guessing what you mean is that the mitt men are good for the conditioning of strict repetitive movement but not leading as trainers. I've seen it and noticed it is more common place for them to step into place when the original coach passes/leaves.
 
HelpYouFall said:
Always nice to see the kids taking a crack at the sport.
What do you work on the most regarding fundamentals when teaching them?
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Hey my bad, I neglected to reply to this. With kids under 15 the main things that need to be established are balance and coordination. It's also worked very well for me to foster an environment that is fun for them, and has camaraderie, as opposed to tough guy isolationist nonsense (which I used to subscribe to). This has become such a staple for me that for every kid I train, I train almost all their siblings as well. I have very few students whose Brothers or Cousins I dont train.

mozfonky said:
I asked the guy I knew about Joe Clough, he didn't know him, I told him "you had to have fought across from him many times". He knew some of the other coaches from Tacoma but I just told him, whoever else was left doesn't turn out fighters anymore. He mentioned some names but nothing about Clough.

He told me what I already know, that they are still there in tacoma, but like I said, those guys are not turning out anyone today.
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Clough was the OG of that Club, he began the boxing program. But he was ousted at its zenith. He told me why and its really some stupid sh*t. He didnt sound very fond of the guy who inherited the program.

PBAC said:
I don't disagree. They tend to be fitness coaches not tacticians. It's a combat sport after all. I'm guessing what you mean is that the mitt men are good for the conditioning of strict repetitive movement but not leading as trainers. I've seen it and noticed it is more common place for them to step into place when the original coach passes/leaves.
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I dont even know why head trainers started out-sourcing mitt work. Maybe it's the allure that some guy wants to take the damage of your fighter beating the sh*t out of his hands and not asking for money for it. But I know a handful of them here in Vegas and I guess what they do is fun...but then I see them when they try to build a fighter...not so good.
 
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My team made an interesting exercise using a Title reflex bag:

 
Hey Sinister,

I was actually training at Real Boxing with Coach Spade last Saturday. I really like the vibe of Real Boxing, but I feel intimidated with making it my main gym because I'm older (31) and am not looking to make boxing my main career. Will a hobbyist like have a place at Real Boxing or should I stick to the place that I'm at now? Fight Capital's head coach told me that he won't let me spar unless I become get a USA boxing card, so I'm not sure if I want to be there.
 
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