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i mean, the AIPAC are a massive donor to the republican party. like massive.

the ICC won't get anywhere without help from the UN, at which point, the west will just revoke their memberships. countries like the US and UK are not under direct jurisdiction of the Rome statute, because of course, they are the most decorated war criminals in world history. they put up wilt...

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what do you do with someone like lomachenko who came in the game a 2-time gold medalist, is only 18-3 over an entire decade and half of those wins are against mediocre competition? lol

yeah i don't personally weigh losses (unless they're really really bad) as much as wins. basically, i don't hold gassiev in some super high regard just because he was undefeated. he had some nice wins on his record, which matters much more to me. funny enough, i think breidis became a better...

de leon is a really solid win at cruiserweight for holyfield as well. i'd say he's on par with someone like dorticos, bellew, or gassiev.

top 20 or so

can arum fuck off and die already? jesus christ

that's literally what he said lol

lmao well i guess that's that then. although, didn't he do this to japan too? and still ended up murking that tenshin kid? (in an obvious work)

michael morales and him would be a slugfest for as long as it lasts. few welterweights naturally hit as hard as khaos but morales can fucking crack.

he also beat moorer and bowe. and losses matter a lot less than wins. i'll take a guy with 15 losses who beat 10 all time greats over a guy with no losses who beat one.

exactly. and again, i'm not saying you have to blame usyk specifically for that. of course not. it's just the unfortunate nature of the HW division at the moment. there's not a lot of great fighters to fight.

they literally bribe their way to a ranking. it's been documented time and time again.

holyfield beat more world champs. he beat and/or drew with the best of the best. bowe, tyson, mercer, foreman, rahman, lewis, douglas, cooper, moorer, holmes. there aren't even that many champs and title challengers for usyk to possibly fight let alone beat. he literally can never catch up lol

winner of fakhretdinov/dalby?

holyfield just by default has more than double the fights and double the wins at the top of his divisions. you would have to assume usyk is going to fight 22 more times and beat even more world champs to even sniff holyfield. longevity matters. that's not even counting the sheer number of world...

joshua and fury are really good wins. i'd say so is breidis at CW. then what? that's 3 big wins lol you think murat gassiev and tony bellew are all time greats or something?

wlad dominated HW for so long, and i favor him over usyk head-to-head so i still have wlad ahead at the moment.

because he hasn't beaten many all time greats. that's precisely what makes you an all time great. there are a dozen plus guys who absolutely dominated for over a decade that we don't put in a top 20 ATG discussion just because they were unfortunately in that division/those divisions at a bad...