Economy 22 Studies Agree Medicare for All Would Save Money

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22 studies on the projected cost impact for single-payer health insurance in the United States have been conducted recently. Every single study predicted that it would yield net savings over several years. In fact, it’s the only way to rein in health care spending significantly in the U.S.

All of the studies, regardless of ideological orientation, showed that long-term cost savings were likely. Even the Mercatus Center, a right-wing think tank, recently found about $2 trillion in net savings over 10 years from a single-payer Medicare for All system.

Medicare for All is far less costly than our current system largely because it reduces administrative costs. With one public plan negotiating rates with health care providers, billing becomes quite simple. We do away with three-quarters of the estimated $812 billion the U.S. now spends on health care administration.

Administrative costs are so high because thousands of insurance companies individually negotiate benefit rules and rates with thousands of hospitals and doctors. On top of that, they rely on different billing procedures — and this puts a costly burden on providers.

Administrative savings from Medicare for All would be about $600 billion a year. Savings on prescription drugs would be between $200 billion and $300 billion a year, if we paid about the same price as other wealthy countries pay for their drugs.

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-...XhHSIJ9BcUSvoytdh1N6IjPqLFoBqXtPqUxIRFHmz3MGI

So, we know that the United States pays twice as much as anyone else for healthcare under our current system... and we know that every analysis ever done has shown that single payer would lower costs significantly.

But we bull-headedly insist on a system where:
1. We pay twice as much
2. 80 million people are uninsured or under insured
3. Half a million people a year go medically bankrupt
4. We lose our insurance if we lose our jobs

All because... Why?

"Muh socialism!!!!"


How dumb are we?
 
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I’d rather pay more if minorities don’t have access to healthcare

But in all seriousness is there a study that shows otherwise?
 
I remember hearing the same thing about the ACA/Obamacare, and yet insurance premiums skyrocketed.
 
Very stupid. There's a good documentary out there (I think BBC) about how pretty much all major civilized western nations has moved to it, and after a short period time it never entered into the public debate that it was the right thing to do.

So think about it, this is a "hot button" issue in the only place that hasn't moved to it. It's not even a debate elsewhere.

The next shoe to drop in this regard will be marijuana. Nobody who liberalizes their marijuana laws regret it. I'm convinced sooner than later other states and countries will follow suit and everyone will scratch their head why they locked up so many people and wasted so much resources over stupid bullshit like smoking weed. (and I'm not a user).
 
Nah, like many of our Republican brethren, I would rather have the system Hillary Clinton gave us in her beneficence.....
 
No chance in hell if its government ran, its hilarious people think they can actually do anything on such a scale and make it more affordable than the previous system. ha HA haha
 
This is a lost cause, people here would rather pay twice the amount than help another American out who is going through a rough patch. They aren't thinking about their children and their fellow Americans instead they'll talk about how they did it the right way, worked their ass off and paid their taxes and refuse to help some bum out. I have asthma, I came back from a country that took care of me and gave me medication for 1/10th of the price. Those bastards wanted to charge me 400 bucks for two prescriptions.
 
what am I agreeing to?
 
"No matter how you design a single-payer public health insurance system, it would have lower overall health care costs, so long as for-profit private health insurers no longer exist "
So it's a superior system, but private health insurance, which is supposedly inferior, must be eliminated, in order for it to work.
 
Do right wingers ever get tired of saying “government cant run things”

Well unless you talk about the greatest country ever, or the largest military on earth, or the mail.

The government in fact runs huge institutions.

And republicans stop saying you’re “small government” you aren’t. You haven’t been in 50+ years.
 
Do right wingers ever get tired of saying “government cant run things”

Well unless you talk about the greatest country ever, or the largest military on earth, or the mail.

The government in fact runs huge institutions.

And republicans stop saying you’re “small government” you aren’t. You haven’t been in 50+ years.

It's just about being different for them. They see England and the rest of Europe as the thing we escaped from. If we do anything like them, even if it improves our lives they will be against it just because it isn't the murican way. They want the freedom to go medically bankrupt.
 
"No matter how you design a single-payer public health insurance system, it would have lower overall health care costs, so long as for-profit private health insurers no longer exist "
So it's a superior system, but private health insurance, which is supposedly inferior, must be eliminated, in order for it to work.

That's an interesting point. I'm for universal coverage but against banning private insurance.
 
It's just about being different for them. They see England and the rest of Europe as the thing we escaped from. If we do anything like them, even if it improves our lives they will be against it just because it isn't the murican way. They want the freedom to go medically bankrupt.


What about Medicare. Which is enormous and run efficiently and has low overhead.

The government runs things very well. Right wingers are liars, fakes, and believe in hollow talking points (muh small government)
 
I remember hearing the same thing about the ACA/Obamacare, and yet insurance premiums skyrocketed.

I don't recall studies being done showing that Obamacare would be as effective as reigning in medical cost as Medicare for All would be.

If you have some such studies, you are welcome to post them.

In any case, you are wrong that average premiums "skyrocketed" after the ACA. Premium trends continued unaffected... which kind of shows how the ACA, ultimately, was drafted with the purpose of not upsetting the market too much.

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None of this changes the basic fact: every major study ever done has found that single payer would dramatically lower premiums.

Obamacare was not single payer.

No chance in hell if its government ran, its hilarious people think they can actually do anything on such a scale and make it more affordable than the previous system. ha HA haha
Government administered healthcare works all around the world. I really don't understand why people like you don't want to face simple facts: we are being ripped off under the current system.

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Should have worked like a charm in Bernie's state, right? Oh, it didn't and they had to abandon the plan because they couldn't pay for it.

All of the studies, regardless of ideological orientation, showed that long-term cost savings were likely. Even the Mercatus Center, a right-wing think tank, recently found about $2 trillion in net savings over 10 years from a single-payer Medicare for All system.
You mean this study, where the author said "no, the study did not find that, stop lying"?

https://economics21.org/blahous-study-didnt-find-medicare-for-all-lowers-costs-two-trillion

Very stupid. There's a good documentary out there (I think BBC) about how pretty much all major civilized western nations has moved to it, and after a short period time it never entered into the public debate that it was the right thing to do.

Well that's a lie as well. Other countries do not have a system where private insurance is banned and everybody is forced onto a nationally funded and run HC program. That's simply not true.
 
I love this debate because those who oppose univeraal health care talk about wanting choice when, in reality, the only choice is between expensive health care or more expensive health care.
 
You mean this study, where the author said "no, the study did not find that, stop lying"?

https://economics21.org/blahous-study-didnt-find-medicare-for-all-lowers-costs-two-trillion



Well that's a lie as well. Other countries do not have a system where private insurance is banned and everybody is forced onto a nationally funded and run HC program. That's simply not true.
Interesting. I didn't know that. Thanks for posting.

Still doesn't change the fact that we currently pay twice as much as everyone else under our current model-- and still have tens of millions of people not covered.
 
Yeah but with m4a that means 68k less Americans die each year due to lack of healthcare, 500k Americans won’t go bankrupt, 50,000,000 Americans no longer deal with the effects of underinsurance, and 30,000,000 Americans will actually gain health coverage.

Fuck that. I hate Americans. They should suffer and die. And it’s my right to pay twice as much as Canadians and enjoy these benefits of private insurance.
 
Good OP. There are actually other costs associated with our current system that conventional analysis don’t account for. For instance, employer mandated insurance reduces global competitiveness in many sectors which contributes to us losing entire industries to overseas competition. Spreading the cost of healthcare progressively would make restoring a lot more desirable.
 
No chance in hell if its government ran, its hilarious people think they can actually do anything on such a scale and make it more affordable than the previous system. ha HA haha

Damn, this white belt just absolutely destroyed UHC with FACTS AND LOGIC
 

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