Economy 22 Studies Agree Medicare for All Would Save Money

"No matter how you design a single-payer public health insurance system, it would have lower overall health care costs, so long as for-profit private health insurers no longer exist "
So it's a superior system, but private health insurance, which is supposedly inferior, must be eliminated, in order for it to work.
Which is superior: slavery or mandatory minimum wages?
No that was @LogicalInsanity

@D 1 Wrestler strikes me as an "everyone gets a trophy" kid all grown up and wondering why the real world is so tough and is wondering when the grown ups are going to step in and do everything for him.
idk @D 1 Wrestler has a pretty nice kitchen. Not the nicest, but pretty nice
 
I'm glad to finally pay for other people's health care too.
I understand there are a lot of worthless turds that can't take care of their own kids, so I'm happy to step up and be the responsible adult that they, their parents or children
will ever be.
 
22 studies on the projected cost impact for single-payer health insurance in the United States have been conducted recently. Every single study predicted that it would yield net savings over several years. In fact, it’s the only way to rein in health care spending significantly in the U.S.

All of the studies, regardless of ideological orientation, showed that long-term cost savings were likely. Even the Mercatus Center, a right-wing think tank, recently found about $2 trillion in net savings over 10 years from a single-payer Medicare for All system.

Medicare for All is far less costly than our current system largely because it reduces administrative costs. With one public plan negotiating rates with health care providers, billing becomes quite simple. We do away with three-quarters of the estimated $812 billion the U.S. now spends on health care administration.

Administrative costs are so high because thousands of insurance companies individually negotiate benefit rules and rates with thousands of hospitals and doctors. On top of that, they rely on different billing procedures — and this puts a costly burden on providers.

Administrative savings from Medicare for All would be about $600 billion a year. Savings on prescription drugs would be between $200 billion and $300 billion a year, if we paid about the same price as other wealthy countries pay for their drugs.

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So, we know that the United States pays twice as much as anyone else for healthcare under our current system... and we know that every analysis ever done has shown that single payer would lower costs significantly.

But we bull-headedly insist on a system where:
1. We pay twice as much
2. 80 million people are uninsured or under insured
3. Half a million people a year go medically bankrupt
4. We lose our insurance if we lose our jobs

All because... Why?

"Muh socialism!!!!"


How dumb are we?

Greatest country ever......

Imagine how much extra money there would be if there wasnt trillions of dollars spent on wars and failed world policing which only results in death and misery and millions protesting against the US!!

Imagine to if corporations actually paid taxes or if our finite resources were state owned and the money went to the people and to pay down the deficit instead or going to the plutocrats and overseas.
 
I'm glad to finally pay for other people's health care too.
I understand there are a lot of worthless turds that can't take care of their own kids, so I'm happy to step up and be the responsible adult that they, their parents or children
will ever be.


My dad was a union electrician and my mother worked in billing at a major hospital in our city. Mom got cancer and we went bankrupt after 4 years.

Fuck off man.
 
My dad was a union electrician and my mother worked in billing at a major hospital in our city. Mom got cancer and we went bankrupt after 4 years.

Fuck off man.
Everyone in my family gets cancer, I'm going to die of cancer one day, too.
Save the dramatic overemotional reaction, it doesn't work on people who have been through the same or worse.
 
Just watched a video on this. Guy wanted to get checked cause he wasn't feeling well and he got hit with a $3000 bill. Great message to send to everyone out there in the US.

Is forcing everyone onto a government plan and banning private insurance the only solution though? Couldn't the government also cap OOP maximums for private insurance well below $3000?
 
Is forcing everyone onto a government plan and banning private insurance the only solution though? Couldn't the government also cap OOP maximums for private insurance well below $3000?

I don't think it's the only solution if you ask me. In fact I think our system could work great if we changed a lot of the rules we've put into place that only benefit the insurance industry. The problem is now the industry makes so much money and with all the lobbyist nothing will ever pass to improve the rules. If it does pass? I could see it getting reversed with the next president. If we just get rid of the industry period that's the best way to insure it wont be changed again.

Don't get me wrong though I have very little hope that M4A will even pass. Best I can do though is vote for the person pushing the policies I want and hope they do their best to get them done.
 
Everyone in my family gets cancer, I'm going to die of cancer one day, too.
Save the dramatic overemotional reaction, it doesn't work on people who have been through the same or worse.


You think its good that people who work hard and have insurance go bankrupt though? You think the non worthless turds who do the right thing ought to be denied care and lose their home? Do you think that is a good system?
 
You think its good that people who work hard and have insurance go bankrupt though? You think the non worthless turds who do the right thing ought to be denied care and lose their home? Do you think that is a good system?

There probably should be a modest deductible to discourage overuse. I don't think people should lose their homes due to healthcare policy that leaves them responsible for paying OOP a sizable portion of annual median income. If the government were to cap deductibles at, say $500 and max OOP at $750, I don't it's unreasonable to expect people to pay their healthcare bills or else get sent to collection.
 
not covering shit would save lots of money
 
You think its good that people who work hard and have insurance go bankrupt though? You think the non worthless turds who do the right thing ought to be denied care and lose their home? Do you think that is a good system?
No, that's why I'm saying as someone who works for living I'm ok with paying for them because they're unable or unwilling.
 
Play to whom? Trump fans? Suburban soccer moms? How will hammering the airwaves with the fact that Trump hasn’t repealed or replaced anything, and has no plan at all, play? Depends on the audience. Bernie’s path to victory runs right through the territory where his policy plays the best.

Most of the country thinks health care is a huge problem, it’s the dems biggest winning issue along with the environment. If you think the average working class family is happy dealing with insurance you’re not paying attention. Bernie has problems to address, but trying to improve health care ain’t one of them. These policy discussion will not be problematic for him. His stubborn insistence on saying politically incorrect shit is, but that’s a different topic.



Yeah, his plan of taking away all those families healthcare insurance will be a big seller...
 
I'm glad to finally pay for other people's health care too.
I understand there are a lot of worthless turds that can't take care of their own kids, so I'm happy to step up and be the responsible adult that they, their parents or children
will ever be.


Finally?

What do you think CHIP stands for?
 
How many jobs would that system destroy? Would health care be a waiting list like Canada, where people come to the U.S. to pay for surgery rather than wait. We already wait in the the States. My grandpa has cancer and they’re making him wait over 2 month for surgery.

I’m open to new ideas.
 
We have way too many people in the USA who are dead beats, lazy, don’t even care about themselves and at the same time, entitled.

m4a would be a complete shit show.

Overuse, less quality, way longer wait times etc.....
 
How many jobs would that system destroy? Would health care be a waiting list like Canada, where people come to the U.S. to pay for surgery rather than wait. We already wait in the the States. My grandpa has cancer and they’re making him wait over 2 month for surgery.

I’m open to new ideas.
You have long wait lines now. It's called waiting for insurance to approve. And I can find just a many stories of people going to Canada for medication.

How about being kicked out of the hospital right before surgery because the insurance ran out? How about the hospital taking your house because you couldn't afford the cancer in the first place?
 
We have way too many people in the USA who are dead beats, lazy, don’t even care about themselves and at the same time, entitled.

m4a would be a complete shit show.

Overuse, less quality, way longer wait times etc.....
Sure and the 30 million people with no healthcare is trumped by your opinion that it would be a "shit show". The system we have now is much better with the high premiums and even higher deductibles is so great.
 
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