All Time GOAT poll

pankrat said:
Official Sherdog p4p rankings during GSP championship years

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459



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Context of history matters though.. Example: Jones on paper is without a doubt better than both GSP and Silva.. But failed steroid tests.. Silva not only popped, but he was popping Pre-USADA..

GSP has a clean legacy..
 
ThunderStruck said:
Sonnen was subbed 8 TIMES before facing Silva and it took him 23.5 minutes to do it.

Kos was 100% more legitimate than Sonnen because he is :
#1 a better wrestler.
#2 He can defend a sub.
#3 doesn't have pillow hands.

2010 GSP p4p #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-28930

2011 GSP p4p #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-31030
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Prime Kos got KOed by Alves and is the same fighter that got put away vs Paulo Thiago, and barely got past Sanchez and Pierce.

He had more holes in his striking defense than Chael, much more likely to take a fight ending blow, doesnt matter how hard he punched (not like he was a good boxer neither), he was worse at using his footworl to set up TDs and put the pressure on, which lead to many stallmate - staring contests he barely squeezed by as Sanchez or Pierce.

Sonnen 2009-2013 was a more legitimate contender than Koscheck or Alves - he actually earn the tittle shot twice - and has a better set of wins while only losing to the 2 best p4p fighters in the world, at that time and most likely of all-time. Not Paulo Thiago, not Alves or Sanchez nor Pierce, all during Kos prime
Get educated and back to the videogames
 
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Dbreiden83080 said:
Context of history matters though.. Example: Jones on paper is without a doubt better than both GSP and Silva.. But failed steroid tests.. Silva not only popped, but he was popping Pre-USADA..

GSP has a clean legacy..
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That's exactly what Im doing, bringing "context of history" as you say, regarding the p4p consideration.

I dont argue about the legavy u talk about. It's fine to me.
Since Silva and GSP reigns ended, Silva tested positive for PEDs, got into a long lossing streak and GSP had a great comeback win to grab the MW tittle from a very tough Bisping.

If you think that makes a better case for GSP, fine.

Im reminding context of history as you say.

During the long 7 years Silva and GSP were champions, at the height of their power, Anderson Silva was widely regarded as the best p4p fighter in the world because of the superiority displayed over his peers.
 
Mark McMichael said:
Then you can name the other top wrestling based BJJ fighters who made it to the top of any division with a Sonnen type hole in their sub defense.

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Sonnen didnt have such hole in his prime, dude. its all in ur sick fanboy dellusion.
Seriously now, among all the GSP fanboys gathered in this thread or just in this very same page, you are the most dense, mate. No just obscenely biased but actually sick, out of our mind brainwash.

Fact: Sonnen beat plenty of BJJ black belts including HW grappling specialist Oleynik, and since training BJJ under Pega Leve in 2008, he showed much more than "competent" as u saiy as the moron u are. Even proven in sub grappling competition, and actually submitting Shogun Rua
 
pankrat said:
That's exactly what Im doing, bringing "context of history" as you say, regarding the p4p consideration.

I dont argue about the legavy u talk about. It's fine to me.
Since Silva and GSP reigns ended, Silva tested positive for PEDs, got into a long lossing streak and GSP had a great comeback win to grab the MW tittle from a very tough Bisping.

If you think that makes a better case for GSP, fine.

Im reminding context of history as you say.

During the long 7 years Silva and GSP were champions, at the height of their power, Anderson Silva was widely regarded as the best p4p fighter in the world because of the superiority displayed over his peers.
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I agree with most of this, and a pound for pound catch weight match could have settled this.. But Silva only wanted GSP at MW, and GSP was NOT biting on taking the fight on Silva's terms. Shit happens in boxing all the time. Years ago Hagler only finally got Ray after agreeing to larger gloves, 12 rounds, a larger ring etc.

But I am NOT that concerned about Silva's legacy in say 2009 compared to GSP.. A lot has happened to both legacies since, with GSP coming out the clear winner...
 
Thought the GOAT was based on accomplishments?

Gsp is retired and not actively adding accomplishments to his legacy but Bones is still unbeaten adding accomplishments.

95% of Gsp wins are by decision. Is that a true goat?

Gsp is the only goat to lose his title in his prime.
Bones, Fedor, Aldo, Sliva , Nunes &Mighty mouse all kept their titles pass their prime. TRUE STANDARD OF A GOAT!

Gsp has ducked every major challenge and cherry picked the easier fights like Bisping. But he ducked Silva twice and refused to fight Usman.
But was ok with LW Khabib.


And if u use the Bones ped defense well keep in mind usada also cleared Bones twice. And even u erase the times he tested positive his accomplishments still surpasses any FIGHTER. FACT
 


- Joe says Khabib's styles is exiciting while Bobby says its because of the quality of the fighters he smashed it was entertaining especially after he smashed Conor.

- Then Joe says RDA and Barboza fight was exiciting too since he smashed them as well.

In the end its personal preferences. Some would prefer smash and some would prefer point fighting like Izzy's, with the exception of KOs and KO artist it usually depends. For example, Islam vs. Arman was a great MMA fight both grappling and wrestling and striking but some people just want to see kickboxing in MMA I guess that shows how unsuccessful kickboxing organizations is considering people are looking to see kickboxing in MMA and UFC fights.
 
Who doesn't think Khabib fought exciting o_O
Or Islam for that matter??o_O They finish guys o_O
(What the heck more do you want from a fighter?! :p)
 
ThePimblettEra said:
Imagine having 3 defences and being the GOAT.

Lol.
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Because unlike casuals who uses wikipedia, Joe Rogan knows what happened inside, so he doesn't talk about how UFC robbed Khabib's title shot in 2016 and gave it to Conor then UFC made Khabib wait for 2 years and he knows that, which is why title defenses means nothing in UFC and he knows it.

And another reason is: when a fighter was going to lose some fights turns into a title defense, example:

-Volk vs Holloway 2, Volk was going to lose but it turned into a title defense.
-Or Jones was going to lose the Santos and Reyes fights then those turned into title defenses for Jones. That's how ''muh title defenses'' works.
 
Tevfik1907 said:
Because unlike casuals who uses wikipedia, Joe Rogan knows what happened inside, so he doesn't talk about how UFC robbed Khabib's title shot in 2016 and gave it to Conor then UFC made him wait for 2 years he knows that, title defenses means nothing in UFC and he knows it.
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He had 5-6 (maybe?) good wins overall, bro. Can't compete with the actual GOAT contenders lol.
Sorry to break it to you fella, but somebody needs to at this point. It's just reality, bro.
 
I love in that episode Bobby was critical of Jones, but then later says " Joe i know for a fact thay one of your G.O.A.T was taking steriods".

Referring Jon.
 
I see what he is saying about Anderson. You never knew what you were going to see in an Anderson fight. When he was on top it was different. No one was going to miss a Silva fight. Some of the shit he did was legendary.

Khabib you knew what you were getting but it was so effective. Cant hate on it. It was dominant and exciting to me.

I just wish Khabib would have moved up and fought some real wrestlers.....I always wanted to see how his style would clash but cant fault him for it. P4P hard to deny Khabib. But I do think there is something to taking wild chances in fights and moving up in weight. Daring to be even more great. Khabib was not a huge risk taker.
 
If Jones wins HW title and defends it, I would pick him. If Jones does not win HW belt, I would pick GSP. I know Jones's 2 failed drug tests will keep many from agreeing, but I feel with his reach advantage and skill set, he would have won regardless.
 
COBRA03 said:
If Jones wins HW title and defends it, I would pick him. If Jones does not win HW belt, I would pick GSP. I know Jones's 2 failed drug tests will keep many from agreeing, but I feel with his reach advantage and skill set, he would have won regardless.
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The "he didn't need steroids to win" argument is always baffling to me. Jones himself didn't think he could win without them.
 
Mike said:
The "he didn't need steroids to win" argument is always baffling to me. Jones himself didn't think he could win without them.
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Maybe Jones did think he needed them to win, but that's not what I think. I have more confidence in his skills then he does.:D
 
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