All Time GOAT poll

[WOLVERINEKILLS]

Fedor, in his prime, was never beaten by a Matt Serra or Ryo Chonan level fighter unlike GSP & Anderson. And he was never physically beaten at all. His last prime fight was Tim Sylvia. He was never as good and started deteriorating each fight afterwards.

While Anderson, GSP, & Fedor were all great in their primes, there are levels and Fedor was slightly above them due to not losing plus fighting much larger competition. Plus most people consider Big Nog the 2nd best heavyweight of all time (considered the best all-time heavyweight and #1 p4p at the time) & Fedor beat him. Unfortunately GSP nor Anderson had the opportunity to fight the 2nd best all-time fighter in their weight class to have the opportunity to earn that recognition.

 

[Claude]

Let's drop another bomb, to end it all.

GSP over Fedor arguments refuted:

"Fedor fought cans"

Refute: GSP lost to a can. Apparetly beating cans is not that easy since GSP failed at it. Plus Fedor fought up to 5 times a year, but his schedule vs top opponents was as good as a UFC champion's. Here:

Fedor's schedule vs top fighters was similar to Anderson Silva's, who's the longest reigning UFC champion ever:

Anderson Silva's top wins per year in the UFC:

2006: 1
2007:2
2008:1
2009:2
2010: 2
2011:2
2012: 1

Average: 1.5 top fighters per year

Fedor's top wins per year while not in the UFC:

2002: 2
2003: 2
2004: 3
2005: 1
2006:1
2007: 1
2008: 1
2009: 2

Average: 1.6 top fighters per year

The only difference is that Fedor fought up to 5 times a year while UFC champions rarely fight more than 3. Fedor fought some lower tier opponents in between his top wins which isn't a bad thing since he was active and payday wasn't as good back then. The fact that he fought more was in fact riskier as anybody can lose any given night. Remember GSP lost to a low tier fighter. Not to an elite fighter, not to a champion, not to a great fighter. A low tier.

"GSP has more top wins"

Refute: As stated in my post above, WW awarded top ranking spots easier than HW

"Hendo/Werdum/Bigfoot/Maldonado gifs"

Refute: Prime GSP tapping to Serra .gif

"Fedor lost to a MW"

Refute: GSP lost to a LW, in his prime

"GSP won belts at WW and MW"

Refute: Fedor didn't need to cut weight. He was good enough to give up a significant size advantage.

"GSP had more title defenses"

Refute: In Pride, not every fight from the champ was a title fight. Fedor defended his #1 spot more times and remained unbeaten for longer though.

"Fedor didn't fight in the UFC"

Refute: Fedor always fought in the toughest HW divisions while he was top ranked: Pride, Affliction and Strikeforce all had better HW's than the UFC. By the time the UFC signed the best HW's by adquiring Strikeforce, Fedor was already unranked and looking at retirement.

"GSP avenged his losses"

Refute: He did because he lost in his prime. Fedor lost after 10 years of wear and tear and after his coaches stated he had visibly slowed down. When a fighter loses at the twilight of his career it's harder to come back and win. The fact that GSP lost in his prime is not a good thing, but all the opposite.

"Fedor is GOAT"

Refute: None

 

[EYEKICKFACES]

Being finished by Henderson > being finished by Serra. Hypothesis right back.

Nah, that's like GSP being finished by Max. Just one of several embarrassing losses for Fedor.

 

[koquerelle]

Fedor has better skills, more finishes, beat opponents who were as good or better than GSPs.

You literally can't argue that the Canadian is better than Fedor, unless you are very biased

Lol
Says one the most biased sherbros
That’s rich

 

[Burt Kocain the wrassler]

Ban Taliban

 

[Burt Kocain the wrassler]

Fedor would have been the Ben Askren of HW if he came to UFC.

 

[koquerelle]

Time to drop the bomb.

Skillwise:

-For a decade Fedor was skilled enough to stand and outstrike elite strikers like Mirko Crocop and Hunt Mark Hunt. He was also good enough to be inside Nogs guard for entire fights.

-GSP on the other hand played it safe and took strikers to the ground. He also often shot for take downs just to score points.

-It took GSP 50 seconds to shoot for a TD vs. Alves
-It took GSP 13 seconds to shoot for a TD vs. Hendricks
-It took GSP 6 seconds to shoot for a TD vs. Diaz
-It took GSP 3 seconds to shoot for a TD vs. Fitch

-GSP kept it standing with bjj fighters like Shields and greased for BJ Penn.

I think we can all agree that GSP mostly stayed away from his opponents' strengths while prime Fedor didn't. He was good enough to outclass them at their own game.

Prime Fedor was also skilled enough not to have a slip in 10 years, hardly even conceding a round and not once getting knocked down in his decade of dominance.

GSP on the other hand got armbarred by a wrestler, TKO'd by a low tier LW bjj fighter and got dropped several times during his prime/reign.

It took Fedor a decade before getting tapped out. GSP on the other hand:

How many years did it take to finally see Fedor like this?:

It took Fedor over 15 years to finally get knocked down (at heavyweight) by a strike. GSP however:

Fedor was skilled enough to finish his fights, while GSP barely ever finished a fight in his prime.

All in all, prime for prime, GSP was:

-Outstruck more than Fedor, who was never outstruck during his reign
-Dropped more than Fedor, who was never dropped during his reign
-Subbed more than Fedor, who was subbed after 10 years
-Beaten more times than Fedor, who was beaten after 10 years
-Got hurt, rocked, and took more damage than Fedor during his reign
-And failed to finish more fights (after getting to the top only 31% of GSP's wins were finishes)

Skillwise, Fedor > GSP. Fedor was simply better and less flawed.

Resumes:

Now when it comes to resumes, the only argument GSP fans have is that he supposedly fought better competition in a stacked division...

WW was so good that Dan Hardy became the #4 ranked WW in the world. Do you know how he earned that high ranking spot? He decisioned Mike Swick, who was ranked #7. Voilá. There's an "elite" top 5 win for GSP.

An elite top 5 GSP win:

Meanwhile Mark Hunt defeated top 5 Crocop, and he was only ranked #9 when he fought Fedor. Brett Rogers who KO'd #2 Arlovski was only ranked #6.

Going back to the stacked WW division, Nick Diaz didn't have a top win for 6 years, then he decisioned #9 BJ Penn. Voilá, another top 5 win for GSP.

Beating a barely top ranked Bj Penn is the reason several of GSP's opponents became top 5

Matt Serra is another top 5 "elite" win in GSP's record. Reason being, GSP made him top 5.... by losing to him. Add another one to the list.

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We're always told the WW division was vastly superior to HW, and yet WW fighters were getting handed elite top 5 ranking spots with minimal effort compared to HW. As the examples above prove, a low end top 10 win was enough for a WW to crack the top 5. On the other hand a HW could beat a top 5 opponent and still not become top 5. WW was tougher, yet it was easier to become elite? How does that work?

That pretty much proves that GSP's top 5 wins argument is in fact a completely flawed argument. Fedor fought tougher competition than GSP. Actually Nogueira alone > anyone on GSP's record.

Fedor's accomplishments:

-10 years undefeated at HW
-27 win streak
-More than 7 years in a row ranked #1
-Defended his #1 HW ranking spot 18 times
-At least 12 top ranked wins
-Multiple time world champion under different orgs. and rules:
*Rings Openweight Championship
*Rings Absolute Class tournament winner
*Pride HW champion
*Pride HW Grand Prix world champion
*WAMMA HW champion
-Over 70% of his wins were finishes

All without conceding a single round, getting outstruck or dropped, cutting weight or failing drug tests.

Now Fedor did lose when past prime and never got back to the top, while GSP avenged all of his losses. However when you lose during your prime it is a lot easier to get back to the top as opposed to when you're completely past it. So not a good argument.

P.S. Let's be honest, Fedor choking 265 lbs Tim Sylvia in 36 seconds > GSP choking out Bisping at 185. Still good win from GSP.

I hope you enjoyed this nice read. I expect nothing but polite replies specially from GSP fans.

Cheers.

Fedor had to cheat to beat Lindland, a bloated mw. Shit, he even got tagged by The Law.
Cheers.

 

[Regal Boy]

Dude, I will help you out a bit.

No need for explanations, combinations, assumptions or anything of that nature.

In real life HW champ > other champs. That's the reality of things.

All of that p4p bullshit is just assumptions.

And even if someone wants to go by the p4p criteria, no other "GOAT" has had as much weight difference between him and his opponents as Fedor had. Even when GSP fought Bisping they were around the same weight.

And none of the other "GOATs" had an opponent even remotely close to Crocop and Nog.

Except it isn't assumptions, because the p4p criteria is defined and analyzed objectively.

 

[Claude]

Fedor had to cheat to beat Lindland, a bloated mw. Shit, he even got tagged by The Law.
Cheers.

GSP had to cheat to beat BJ, a bloated LW. Shit he even got tagged by the Prodigy.

Cheers.

 

[kflo]

Fedor never lost in his prime
GSP lost twice

Fedor was a HW
GSP was a WW

GSPs only case is in fantasy p4p land where we ignore the fact that the HWs would crush the WWs. A bit like saying Serena Williams is a better tennis player than Roger Federer.

More like saying sugar ray robinson was a better boxer than Ali or Louis.

 

[Source]

Its very simple actually.

Fedor was unbeatable in his era, and NO man was alive who could beat him, in any category, in any place !


On the other side A. Silva competed durring time Gsp competed, could make fight, yet gsp refused !
So, there was someone who could beat Gsp durring his best time. On the other side, Wanderlei Silva said " noone wants to fight Fedor"



case closed !

You should go back to posting under your banned account.

 

[kflo]

Just watch Fedor vs Rogers.. commentators saying they had never seen Fedor being hit like that..

also..

Spoiler

This was prime fedor:


Fedor 2010s:

 

[boladiQup]

Link 10 references before Fedor vs Werdum saying that "Fedor is out of his prime and Werdum is going to destroy him." I don't want to argue against post-hoc claims.

Just show me interviews from the media, other fighters, fans and etc saying that "Fedor is out of his prime, and Werdum is going to destroy."

After all, if you are smarter than me, then this should be a really easy task for you to complete. Post 10 references.

you have no idea how ridiculous this is, do you?

 

[DatSamboKid]

Sherdog high IQ

 

[Takes_Two_To_Tango]

Time to drop the bomb.

Skillwise:

-For a decade Fedor was skilled enough to stand and outstrike elite strikers like Mirko Crocop and Hunt Mark Hunt. He was also good enough to be inside Nogs guard for entire fights.

-GSP on the other hand played it safe and took strikers to the ground. He also often shot for take downs just to score points.

-It took GSP 50 seconds to shoot for a TD vs. Alves
-It took GSP 13 seconds to shoot for a TD vs. Hendricks
-It took GSP 6 seconds to shoot for a TD vs. Diaz
-It took GSP 3 seconds to shoot for a TD vs. Fitch

-GSP kept it standing with bjj fighters like Shields and greased for BJ Penn.

I think we can all agree that GSP mostly stayed away from his opponents' strengths while prime Fedor didn't. He was good enough to outclass them at their own game.

Prime Fedor was also skilled enough not to have a slip in 10 years, hardly even conceding a round and not once getting knocked down in his decade of dominance.

GSP on the other hand got armbarred by a wrestler, TKO'd by a low tier LW bjj fighter and got dropped several times during his prime/reign.

It took Fedor a decade before getting tapped out. GSP on the other hand:

How many years did it take to finally see Fedor like this?:

It took Fedor over 15 years to finally get knocked down (at heavyweight) by a strike. GSP however:

Fedor was skilled enough to finish his fights, while GSP barely ever finished a fight in his prime.

All in all, prime for prime, GSP was:

-Outstruck more than Fedor, who was never outstruck during his reign
-Dropped more than Fedor, who was never dropped during his reign
-Subbed more than Fedor, who was subbed after 10 years
-Beaten more times than Fedor, who was beaten after 10 years
-Got hurt, rocked, and took more damage than Fedor during his reign
-And failed to finish more fights (after getting to the top only 31% of GSP's wins were finishes)

Skillwise, Fedor > GSP. Fedor was simply better and less flawed.

Resumes:

Now when it comes to resumes, the only argument GSP fans have is that he supposedly fought better competition in a stacked division...

WW was so good that Dan Hardy became the #4 ranked WW in the world. Do you know how he earned that high ranking spot? He decisioned Mike Swick, who was ranked #7. Voilá. There's an "elite" top 5 win for GSP.

An elite top 5 GSP win:

Meanwhile Mark Hunt defeated top 5 Crocop, and he was only ranked #9 when he fought Fedor. Brett Rogers who KO'd #2 Arlovski was only ranked #6.

Going back to the stacked WW division, Nick Diaz didn't have a top win for 6 years, then he decisioned #9 BJ Penn. Voilá, another top 5 win for GSP.

Beating a barely top ranked Bj Penn is the reason several of GSP's opponents became top 5

Matt Serra is another top 5 "elite" win in GSP's record. Reason being, GSP made him top 5.... by losing to him. Add another one to the list.

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We're always told the WW division was vastly superior to HW, and yet WW fighters were getting handed elite top 5 ranking spots with minimal effort compared to HW. As the examples above prove, a low end top 10 win was enough for a WW to crack the top 5. On the other hand a HW could beat a top 5 opponent and still not become top 5. WW was tougher, yet it was easier to become elite? How does that work?

That pretty much proves that GSP's top 5 wins argument is in fact a completely flawed argument. Fedor fought tougher competition than GSP. Actually Nogueira alone > anyone on GSP's record.

Fedor's accomplishments:

-10 years undefeated at HW
-27 win streak
-More than 7 years in a row ranked #1
-Defended his #1 HW ranking spot 18 times
-At least 12 top ranked wins
-Multiple time world champion under different orgs. and rules:
*Rings Openweight Championship
*Rings Absolute Class tournament winner
*Pride HW champion
*Pride HW Grand Prix world champion
*WAMMA HW champion
-Over 70% of his wins were finishes

All without conceding a single round, getting outstruck or dropped, cutting weight or failing drug tests.

Now Fedor did lose when past prime and never got back to the top, while GSP avenged all of his losses. However when you lose during your prime it is a lot easier to get back to the top as opposed to when you're completely past it. So not a good argument.

P.S. Let's be honest, Fedor choking 265 lbs Tim Sylvia in 36 seconds > GSP choking out Bisping at 185. Still good win from GSP.

I hope you enjoyed this nice read. I expect nothing but polite replies specially from GSP fans.

Cheers.

Very well said.

I suggest you make your own thread on this topic. More people will be willing to read your post if you started your own thread with what you wrote here.

 

[wilKO]

More like saying sugar ray robinson was a better boxer than Ali or Louis.

Still equally stupid. Combat sports are the only sports were we put inferior people on a pedestal. No one in basketball talks about the GOAT basketballer below 6 foot tall. No one in tennis says Serena is better than Federer. No one in powerlifting says the GOAT powerlifter is a 140lber. Combat sports have created this fake handicap to reward inferior fighters. GSP may be better than Fedor "P4P". In reality Andrei Arlovski is a better fighter than GSP.

 

[kflo]

Still equally stupid. Combat sports are the only sports were we put inferior people on a pedestal. No one in basketball talks about the GOAT basketballer below 6 foot tall. No one in tennis says Serena is better than Federer. No one in powerlifting says the GOAT powerlifter is a 140lber. Combat sports have created this fake handicap to reward inferior fighters. GSP may be better than Fedor "P4P". In reality Andrei Arlovski is a better fighter than GSP.

Sucks they created a sport with weight classes. Deal with it. You seem to be confused about these sports. They have rules.

 

[Source]

this is my only acc, what are you speaking about ?

It may be the only account you currently have. I don’t even believe that. It is certainly not the only account you’ve ever had. It’s an alt account you’ve had. You got caught admit it and move on.

 

[faustian]

Too bad we never got to see Fedor fight GSP. I wonder who would've won that one

 

[wilKO]

Sucks they created a sport with weight classes. Deal with it. You seem to be confused about these sports. They have rules.

No. I'm able to distinguish between the handicaps in place. As I've said weightlifting has weight classes. Who's the best weight lifter? A midget? A female? Or the strongest guy at the top?