International Are the people of Afghanistan relieved that the US is gone and being replaced by the Taliban?

[Graves The Elder]

Don't worry, China will make it all better.
Word is Chinese diplomats already have their bags packed for the trip there
once airports open back up.
Over $3 trillion of natural resources await extraction by the People's Republic.
The Taliban worship Allah but everyone loves unbounded wealth and opulence.
It is said that Afghanistan will become the new Saudi Arabia of exploited resource wealth.

 

[MicroBrew]

A female judge in Afghanistan really. Let me guess the US told them that would be a good idea?

Afghanistan wasn't always soo strictly patriarchal, atleast the big cities. It was far more liberal in the 70s, before the US backed the Mujaheddin.

 

[12ga.]

Of course. They couldnt have taken country without firing a shot for the most part if not.

Also, if you followed this war for 20 years the warlords we supported, the NDS and politicians we put in were worse. Billions sent to Dubai and Turkey while poverty rate increased. They lived in palaces while Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader lived in a tent. Worse human rights abusers just check this out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasht-i-Leili_massacre or spend some time at HRW and search for "NDS." Crime, drugs, addiction and all the modern vices of western cities rampant. I'd rather live in Taliban country and so would all of you compared to what Americans supported - unless you were in the .001% getting American cash to offshore. Bush went in light despite generals telling him we need 700,000 to secure country and therefore hooked up with bigtime scumbags.

Could have been very different. Lucky for us and Afghans Taliban seem to have chilled out a bit so it's not a total catastrophe.

 

[Wrath of Foamy]

Yeah, their women like not having any semblance of freedom, and their children like masculine men.

Even the goats have been spotted applying lipstick as of late...

 

[TUFNewb]

It was mostly people in the cities whose lives changed drastically under American protection. For many others the way of life Taliban now brutally enforces is all they have ever known.

The country has been in state of war on and off for a very long time. A 14 year civil war, a relatively brief period where the Taliban was in control, and then invasion and war for another 20 years. It is pretty much a guarantee that eventually the Taliban will piss off enough people and other tribes and shit and there will be another civil war.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

You could ask this question of any country and get the same unclear answer......'Are the people of ___________ more or less likely to think/believe ___________?"

One of the many mistakes that was made from the beginning, and that people continue to make is having no understanding of the places and cultures of other areas.
Americans don't agree on everything, so why would Afghans?
Afghanistan isn't some united country where people have a strong Afghan identity. They're loyal to their tribes, regions, family, or religion. So to think that a bunch of people living in borders that foreigners made are going to throw down their lives for some imaginary idea of a united Afghanistan was silly from the jump. To assume that Afghans would automatically want what the West has is beyond arrogant and ignorant.

The country has been in war for decades, for as long as many people there have been alive. First and foremost, there are probably many people that just want some sort of stability--even if that's the Taliban.

What is crazy is that the US, a country built on a revolutionary war for freedom, can't seem to grasp the importance of winning that freedom for yourself. It's the foundation of much of America's own ideology. So, how can you rob other people of that identity?
You can't fight these kinds of wars for people.

 

[Misanthropist]

Yes because over 95% of Afghanistan are conservative, women included so they don’t care how Taliban run things but for some reason, the West is struggling to accept this fact because the media brainwashed everyone into thinking that they need to be “saved” to justify intervention.

You can never change their resilient culture that remained the same for centuries.

 

[2fast2see]

Did ‘gender studies’ lose Afghanistan?

How Ivy League diplomats sought to remake Afghanistan in Harvard’s image



But America in Afghanistan sought a shortcut, and by ‘shortcut’ Cockburn means ‘something that takes 10 times as long but doesn’t look as nasty for TV cameras’. America hoped that with enough half-baked social engineering in the half of Afghanistan it controlled, it would eventually be rewarded with victory, and Afghanistan would become the Holland of the Hindu Kush. On Ivy League campuses, students are taught to decry ‘colonialism’, but the Ivy League diplomats who sought to remake Afghanistan in Harvard’s image were among the most ambitious practitioners of it in world history.

So, alongside the billions for bombs went hundreds of millions for gender studies in Afghanistan. According to US government reports, $787 million was spent on gender programs in Afghanistan, but that substantially understates the actual total, since gender goals were folded into practically every undertaking America made in the country.

A recent report from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR) broke down the difficulties of the project. For starters, in both Dari and Pastho there are no words for ‘gender’. That makes sense, since the distinction between ‘sex’ and ‘gender’ was only invented by a sexually-abusive child psychiatrist in the 1960s, but evidently Americans were caught off-guard. Things didn’t improve from there. Under the US’s guidance, Afghanistan’s 2004 constitution set a 27 percent quota for women in the lower house — higher than the actual figure in America! A strategy that sometimes required having women represent provinces they had never actually been to. Remarkably, this experiment in ‘democracy’ created a government few were willing to fight for, let alone die for.

The initiatives piled up one after another. Do-gooders established a ‘National Masculinity Alliance’, so a few hundred Afghan men could talk about their ‘gender roles’ and ‘examine male attitudes that are harmful to women’.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/did-gender-studies-lose-afghanistan/

 

[jeremyemilio]

Obviously not everyone is, and many have died or put their lives in danger trying to escape, specially those who are at risk for aiding the US during the fighting. But what about the majority of the population? Do most Afghan people prefer living under sharia and the Taliban rather than some weak puppet government placed by the US?

Does your "majority of the population" include women and girls?

 

[blaseblah]

Did ‘gender studies’ lose Afghanistan?

How Ivy League diplomats sought to remake Afghanistan in Harvard’s image



But America in Afghanistan sought a shortcut, and by ‘shortcut’ Cockburn means ‘something that takes 10 times as long but doesn’t look as nasty for TV cameras’. America hoped that with enough half-baked social engineering in the half of Afghanistan it controlled, it would eventually be rewarded with victory, and Afghanistan would become the Holland of the Hindu Kush. On Ivy League campuses, students are taught to decry ‘colonialism’, but the Ivy League diplomats who sought to remake Afghanistan in Harvard’s image were among the most ambitious practitioners of it in world history.

So, alongside the billions for bombs went hundreds of millions for gender studies in Afghanistan. According to US government reports, $787 million was spent on gender programs in Afghanistan, but that substantially understates the actual total, since gender goals were folded into practically every undertaking America made in the country.

A recent report from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR) broke down the difficulties of the project. For starters, in both Dari and Pastho there are no words for ‘gender’. That makes sense, since the distinction between ‘sex’ and ‘gender’ was only invented by a sexually-abusive child psychiatrist in the 1960s, but evidently Americans were caught off-guard. Things didn’t improve from there. Under the US’s guidance, Afghanistan’s 2004 constitution set a 27 percent quota for women in the lower house — higher than the actual figure in America! A strategy that sometimes required having women represent provinces they had never actually been to. Remarkably, this experiment in ‘democracy’ created a government few were willing to fight for, let alone die for.

The initiatives piled up one after another. Do-gooders established a ‘National Masculinity Alliance’, so a few hundred Afghan men could talk about their ‘gender roles’ and ‘examine male attitudes that are harmful to women’.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/did-gender-studies-lose-afghanistan/

It's still important to promote women's rights in countries that don't have them. That said, it should be separate from imperialism.

 

[King Joffery]

Yeah, a slight majority of Afghans favor Sharia.

 

[Bald1]

Does your "majority of the population" include women and girls?

I very much doubt the percentage of women on board with the incoming conservatism is as high as that of the men, but is probably much higher than we'd like to think here in the western world. Attribute that to Stockholm Syndrome or pride in their culture or whatever, but I doubt all women there want our way of life.

 

[mjfan23]

Most likely. Taliban were the chosen leaders before we went in too

 

[Snubnoze707]

Don't worry, China will make it all better.
Word is Chinese diplomats already have their bags packed for the trip there
once airports open back up.
Over $3 trillion of natural resources await extraction by the People's Republic.
The Taliban worship Allah but everyone loves unbounded wealth and opulence.
It is said that Afghanistan will become the new Saudi Arabia of exploited resource wealth.

Good for them. They should be able to make some money off their resources. I'd rather diplomats with bags than military with bombs. The US just steals the resources for themselves, theirs no sale.

 

[Graves The Elder]

uh yea, like they 'stole' all the oil assets from Iraq.
and sure they 'stole' natural resources from Ahghanistan.
derp, they didn't get shit for all their trouble.
the US is run by idiots and morons.

 

[My Spot]

The majority probably are. It's not like your average Afghan male cares about the gays or women's rights on their own.

 

[jeremyemilio]

I very much doubt the percentage of women on board with the incoming conservatism is as high as that of the men, but is probably much higher than we'd like to think here in the western world. Attribute that to Stockholm Syndrome or pride in their culture or whatever, but I doubt all women there want our way of life.

I hear you, and I feel like that's likely true in the political sense. But I'd be surprised if there were very many women who are happy with being property who can be beaten or raped on the whims of their husbands or, if they are lucky enough not to be in that situation personally, who are okay with it being the lot of many of their sisters and daughters neighbours.

 

[Blayt7hh]

I assume most men are in favor and woman under 30 are not.

Yep. It’s a little said to see people in here delighting in their misery too

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

Yep. It’s a little said to see people in here delighting in their misery too

People who Relish in this can't get past their marching orders.

 

[wonderbread]

They had an army that we trained and equipped. The Taliban were a third the size of the Afghan army. I'm guessing we kinda hoped that when the US left the army would step up. BIg TURD

FAIL

Now they can deal with the Taliban.
Buh Bye.