BEST grappling sport for the modern public safety professional

[jack36767]

Most high school wrestling coaches are simply an interested dad trying to help out the kids. My high school wrestling coach was a complete moron who didn't know anything about grappling and taught out of a book, he literally never stepped onto the mat.

Thus. Proving my point.

 

[KingGuerrilla]

Thus. Proving my point.

the primary challenge facing any Wrestling team outside of the nations tiny few hotspots was finding a coach

Hard to believe one of the most effective martial arts on earth is available for free at your local high school yet has been so terribly neglected even after mixed martial arts helped popularize it and proved its Effectiveness in the ring!

just imagine how the judo people feel, they dont even have the public school system!

 

[jack36767]

the primary challenge facing any Wrestling team outside of the nations tiny few hotspots was finding a coach

Hard to believe one of the most effective martial arts available on earth is available for free at your local high school yet has been so terribly neglected even after mixed martial arts helped popularize it and proved its Effectiveness in the ring!

just imagine how the judo people feel, they dont even have the public school system!

Wrestling leadership is to blame for much of that. And wannabe tuf guys like you

 

[KingGuerrilla]

Wrestling leadership is to blame for much of that. And wannabe tuf guys like you

You can't "make a sport popular" you have to win the competition first and then people will start to support you... just look at soccer, it's an incredibly popular game worldwide but can't gain any traction in the United States because we never win.

kinda like wrestling and Judo... since we never win the international competitions no one will support us, at least judo wasn't stupid enough to make up its own rules for the domestic Market

so so what grappling sport do you think is best for the Public Safety Professional?

 

[shunyata]

When the hell will people who’ve been around grappling a long time realize that there is the “normal” local yokel type of technique taught and a wide array of technique and movements that aren’t taught or known to average hs coach.

I keep seeing people who should know better ignore the fact that what is taught at most high schools is not what is taught, or only one part of by the high tier/elite coaches

I've been around long enough to learn that most "basic" techniques have a plethora of variations, different entries, slightly different finishes, adjustments of various types made in various ways.

Not only are there more advanced techniques and meta games at the higher levels of any competitive activity, but even the fundamentals get dramatically more nuanced and varied.

You can't "make a sport popular" you have to win the competition first and then people will start to support you... just look at soccer, it's an incredibly popular game worldwide but can't gain any traction in the United States because we never win.

kinda like wrestling and Judo... since we never win the international competitions no one will support us, at least judo wasn't stupid enough to make up its own rules for the domestic Market

so so what grappling sport do you think is best for the Public Safety Professional?

Wrestling is not that popular even outside the US, the IOC almost removed it from the Olympics a few years ago.


In the US, college soccer and rugby are more popular than wrestling at many schools.


It's a niche sport, and I really doubt that the US is just waiting for one shining champion to make wrestling more popular.

We already had the Schultz's. If Gardner beat Karelin by suplex instead technicality I still doubt that would have contributed to any more long term popularity for US wrestling than it already has.

 

[KingGuerrilla]

I've been around long enough to learn that most "basic" techniques have a plethora of variations, different entries, slightly different finishes, adjustments of various types made in various ways.

Not only are there more advanced techniques and meta games at the higher levels of any competitive activity, but even the fundamentals get dramatically more nuanced and varied.






Wrestling is not that popular even outside the US, the IOC almost removed it from the Olympics a few years ago.


In the US, college soccer and rugby are more popular than wrestling at many schools.


It's a niche sport, and I really doubt that the US is just waiting for one shining champion to make wrestling more popular.

We already had the Schultz's. If Gardner beat Karelin by suplex instead technicality I still doubt that would have contributed to any more long term popularity for US wrestling than it already has.

All excellent points and that rulon Gardner abortion was still so media frenzied that fat bastard was on every talk show for months!!!

While most people that respect the sanctity of the sport considered it a complete farce it was a victory nonetheless...makes me shudder to think how awful that was!

Unfortunately we have continued to fiddle with the rules of wrestling in a consistent attempt to make it more popular and only succeeded in alienating more fans who couldn't figure out what the hell was going on out there

This is a silly video about the situation but at least they had the class to admit it was a recent rule change that got changed right back LOL

 

[jack36767]

I've been around long enough to learn that most "basic" techniques have a plethora of variations, different entries, slightly different finishes, adjustments of various types made in various ways.

Not only are there more advanced techniques and meta games at the higher levels of any competitive activity, but even the fundamentals get dramatically more nuanced and varied.






Wrestling is not that popular even outside the US, the IOC almost removed it from the Olympics a few years ago.


In the US, college soccer and rugby are more popular than wrestling at many schools.


It's a niche sport, and I really doubt that the US is just waiting for one shining champion to make wrestling more popular.

We already had the Schultz's. If Gardner beat Karelin by suplex instead technicality I still doubt that would have contributed to any more long term popularity for US wrestling than it already has.

I’m aware. He just keeps stating how “every” program “does wrestling” and it displays ignorance. And let’s be honest. We both know who he is.. it’s obvious he resents not being taken seriously by the “wrestling elite”

 

[shunyata]

I’m aware. He just keeps stating how “every” program “does wrestling” and it displays ignorance. And let’s be honest. We both know who he is.. it’s obvious he resents not being taken seriously by the “wrestling elite”

Fo sho.

In my humble opinion, the difference between a good student and a bad student "questioning everything" is that a good student will consider the possibility that the coaching staff may be correct and their experience deserves weight, and the student themselves may be full of shit or dramatically oversimplifying to the point that their generalization is no longer accurate.

Don't get me wrong I love thinking conceptually in combat sports, but as you well know if you keep trying to make the net broader and broader to catch everything it just gets unwieldly and less useful at a certain point.

TS! Context matters, situational variations exist, variations for body type / strengths / weaknesses exist, the details matter. There frequently is not one lone right true and perfect way to execute a specific action. Some answers can be more correct than others depending on the context and details of the scenario.

 

[KingGuerrilla]

Fo sho.

In my humble opinion, the difference between a good student and a bad student "questioning everything" is that a good student will consider the possibility that the coaching staff may be correct and their experience deserves weight, and the student themselves may be full of shit or dramatically oversimplifying to the point that their generalization is no longer accurate.

Don't get me wrong I love thinking conceptually in combat sports, but as you well know if you keep trying to make the net broader and broader to catch everything it just gets unwieldly and less useful at a certain point.

TS! Context matters, situational variations exist, variations for body type / strengths / weaknesses exist, the details matter. There frequently is not one lone right true and perfect way to execute a specific action. Some answers can be more correct than others depending on the context and details of the scenario.

exactally what did I say you disagree with?
...i literally said heavyweight athletics are different and require a specialist coach for the best results and now you're lecturing me about the difference in body types?

"jack" is an angry conspiratorial muckraking troll as he just pops into my threads to insult me or call me names and doesn't bother to lend anything to the conversation except to say that Elite coaches are better LOL

It's kind of sad that you guys don't call out bully behavior for what it is... nice example for the kids guys (rolls eyes)

"jack" never even broached the OP and just wants to interrogate me...say something about sports "jack" and quit trying to "dox" people LOL
(as if i give a shit)

talk about SPORTS guys not interpersonal drama!!

 

[wufabufa]

@KingGuerrilla You wouldn't happen to be that fat ass that got banned multiple times for riling people up with the same inane shit over and over again? Looks like you picked up another alt in @gavinfromathertoon and decided to argue with yourself to up your trolling to the next level. Surprised no one else picked up on it yet.

Lol, same old Reddit spacing too.

 

[KingGuerrilla]

@KingGuerrilla You wouldn't happen to be that fat ass that got banned multiple times for riling people up with the same inane shit over and over again? Looks like you picked up another alt in @gavinfromathertoon and decided to argue with yourself to up your trolling to the next level. Surprised no one else picked up on it yet.

Lol, same old Reddit spacing too.

LOL, i dont suppose you have anything to say about the best grappling sport for law enforcement either?

maybe you and jack and get together and do an investigation LOL

look at this fat guy...hahaha!


"he coached his team to coached at six Olympic Games from 1992 to 2012 and obtained 5 gold, 9 silver and 10 bronze medals.[4] This made him the coach with the largest amount of Olympic Medals in the history of Judo"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronaldo_Veitia_Valdivie

 

[wufabufa]

LOL, i dont suppose you have anything to say about the best grappling sport for law enforcement either?

maybe you and jack and get together and do an investigation LOL

look at this fat guy...hahaha!

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"he coached his team to coached at six Olympic Games from 1992 to 2012 and obtained 5 gold, 9 silver and 10 bronze medals.[4] This made him the coach with the largest amount of Olympic Medals in the history of Judo"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronaldo_Veitia_Valdivie

Goddamn, look at that panniculus.

 

[KingGuerrilla]

Goddamn, look at that panniculus.

It was pretty crushing for me to pull out a fat Judo coach who was the most successful man in the Sport's history wasn't it?

 

[KingGuerrilla]

 

[jack36767]

I’m not conspiring to do anything. I’m more concerned about the apparent schizophrenia.

The TS is what he is. A sorta kinda was, has has been coach full of hypocrisy and hyperbole.

Quite frankly the simple fact is that ANY grappling that involves ground control and live training will help immensely… one must consider “relative” starting position. 95% of The cops have nothing so anything is better than nada.


No shit most people arent aware of how violent encounters work. That’s literally the point of society

 

[JinKazama]

I would imagine some form of wrestling or judo, something where u can end the fight with one bad takedown

definitely don't want to pull guard on the streets lol

 

[Matsukaze]

I noticed a suspicious edit in this video and when the video resumes you can see the back of the cops shirt is filthy from being on the ground... looks like the cop lost top control but they edited that out

I don't think so.. I have seen this video several times....even before Rener put it on one of his breakdowns. It shows the officer kind of rolling onto his back after the takedown so I'm sure that's where the dirt on his back came from.

 

[sb413197]

I think it's BJJ. BJJ teaches ground fighting and control in the greatest detail and that's super important.

 

[Badger67]

Sambo or well trained judo. Judo can be watered down so badly it isnt even funny.

 

[BigDeadFreak]

Carrying yourself with confidence and a muted threat is the first and best line of self-defense.

This is so true and way more important than any individual fighting technique in 90% of situations. Making people question the wisdom of attacking you is enough to deter most threats. Slow, considered responses and confident posture will plant a seed of doubt in most people's minds especially if they're starting to get aggressive. Nothing freaks people out more than when they try to psych you out by shouting and getting threatening and you just keep calm and respond on your terms.

If you can control yourself then you'll probably control others too.