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Can we all agree Usman is a superior WW to St. Pierre?

Discussion in 'Fantasy Matchup Discussion' started by LilNicky95, Apr 6, 2021.

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    I like usman, but theres always recency bias here. Usman barely actually wrestles anybody. Its all pressure and clinchwork with good cardio. Which is good too, but wrestling isnt his strongest point.
     
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    Let’s be honest... Usman has been FLAWLESS in the UFC.

    GSP tapping to strikes from Matt Serra and putting on some of the most boring title fights against subpar competition in company history is just flat out embarrassing.


    The only people still clinging on to the notion that GSP is in anyway as good as Usman are Canadians and lowkey goofy “white hope’ers”.


    Usman >>>>> GSP


    Stay mad Sherdog.


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    You cant argue resume, but there's definitely an argument Usman is more skilled.
     
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    He wrestles man. Even in the Jorge fight he tried to wrestle.
     
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    That's true, but Usman (or any other champion) not having as many title defenses as those who got a TS early in their career (and won the title) is in itself nothing where i'll say they're necessarily worse than those champions with more defenses due to earlier winning the title.

    For example if Usman at one point is 19-2 in the UFC (i think that's GSP's UFC record) i wouldn't mind rating him as high as GSP even with less title defenses due to a later TS, *if* i consider it to be the case that his level of competition during this run is comparable to GSP's.

    (In reality i'd also include to an extent how they'd do against each other prime for prime, but that's another issue.)
     
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    Are you mad?
     
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    They are both legendary fighters, but in my opinion Pierre will be stronger
     
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    GSP demonstrated advanced fighting ability in all realms of fighting by the unified rules set. The fight strategies became very conservative after the Hughes and Serra loss, so the finishes weren't there, no big deal. If Usman can get like 7 or 8 title defenses I would say 100% he surpasses GSP as far as GOAT WW and I would also thing that his skillset would surpass GSP's by that time. He would have the edge for being undefeated in the UFC and never losing the title, so matching or surpassing isn't needed for me personally.
     
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    Prime for prime, GSP picks Usman apart. Now? Hard to say for sure but Usman probably wins.
     
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    Do you really expect to get consensus on something that is debatable (and fundamentally untestable unless you have a time machine) on Sherdog? That's like expecting to find consensus on what's the best rock band, or the best action movie, or the best comic book hero, or the best TV show. I admire your optimism, but think you're in for dissappointment.

    Me, I think its only possible to objectively compare how they did against the best of their time (at least until we have time machines), and both come out looking very good by that score. I'd be thrilled to have either of their careers personally.

    Unless you mean if they fought today, when GSP is an old man with one fight in seven years. Any top 10 WW easily beats GSP today, including still active guys he beat when he was active. Retired guys simply lose to much timing, conditioning, reflexes and reactions to beat good active guys. Only his craziest fans think 40 year old, one fight in seven years GSP is still what he once was.

    If you mean untestable statements about who would win, I think prime Royce Gracie beats both at the same time (possibly with one arm tied behind his back), because its impossible to prove an untestable statement false. And the more untestable the statement, the more confident I can become about making it.
     
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    Ppfffftttttttt
     
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    This thread will end like the Woodley greatest WW ever thread, after Usman lost a fight
     
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    Strongest? GSP was AFRAID to take Jake Shields down.

    Usman would have smashed Shields thru the floor. If you really want to debate, tell me what about GSP wrestling is better than Usman’s? Hell, watch Diego in his prime take down Nick Diaz and rain down ground and pound and then watch GSP do nothing but hold Nick.
     
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    @Zebra Cheeks ...is everybody(and there are a many) that think Usman would smash GSP trolling??
     
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    And who has been a strong wrestler that Usman has wrestled that would indicate he’d fight shields any differently? He’s only boxed all the best wrestlers he’s fought.
     
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  20. LilNicky95 Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    Wait so Woodley(who was undefeated for years when Usman fought him) is not a strong wrestler??

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    Ok there. Woodley is WAY better wrestler than ANYBODY GSP faced. Go ahead and rip on Tyron now because he is obviously not the same mentally but Tyron blew away the best wrestler GSP ever beat in Kos.
     

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