but he had one of the greatest seasons of all time a few years ago! Michael Jordan couldn't carry his jock! In fact, he was even 7th in the mvp voting. how many players can say that?Green is proof of why analytics aren’t the end all be all in sports.
That's raw +/-, and even the raw +/- can be judged respective to a team; this latter more advanced metric measures a player's replacement +/- differential, so it isn't telling you how good his team is, but how significant his impact is to his team's point differential while he is on the floor vs off the floor (the net +/- of that individual).Lmao at falling back on +/-. That is a team based stat. The league leader in +/- is ALWAYS from one of the best teams. How is Gaymond's +/- this year?
He is a role player who fit the most talented team ever well. Horace Grant was as valuable to the Bulls.
Did anyone assert Draymond is greater than Barkley?Have I ever referred to Westbrick or Hardcan as winners? Lol. And don't lump me in with hero ball worshiping kobetards. I just see through the bullshit that is Gaymond's accolades as a star player.
Complete horseshit. BJ Armstrong? Remind me...did he ever win Defensive Player of the Year? Did he ever get voted onto an All-NBA team by the coaches? Did he put up elite or historic performances in more advanced metrics of assessment like +/-, Win Shares, Off/Def Rating, VORP, or PER?Gaymond is a winner the way BJ Armstrong is a winner. He's not highly skilled (including defensively). He's not athletic (for an NBA player). He doesn't actually put up good stats except one season 5 years ago. He's a high effort role player that fit an historically amazing team extremely well. He doesn't win shit anywhere else. He can't make this current team even decent. He is 100% replaceable in any setting. He would be a complete unknown entity if he played anywhere else.
What skills or physical abilities do people think this can brings to the court? Asssists? Lol. He stands at the 3 point line practically unguarded and then chooses which of the all-time great scorers on his team to give the ball to. Rebounds? Lol, he's not even a good rebounder for PF. Defense? He's not a rim stopper. He can't guard on the perimeter except against slow forwards. He doesn't get some amazing number of steals. Again he's not great at securing defensive boards. He's a terrible scorer. He dribbles like a downs patient out of control. He's good at help defense. End of list. And on a team with 3 all-time great scorers that helped a lot. This doesn't even take into account all the negatives of his behavior. He's the whiniest bitch in the league who gets himself suspended in the Finals. What a teammate.
Having a conversation about whether he's better than Barkley is retarded in ways I can't really describe using human terminology.
This has been particularly true of Green's work in the post this season. Opponents are shooting 40.2 percent in the post against him, according to Synergy Sports, a number that puts him in the 92nd percentile in the entire league.
TRIPLE SINGLE
Doesn't matter what Gaymond says or does after that, TRIPLE SINGLE is eternal besmirchment
I'll be honest, i don't follow the NBA like I once did but Draymond always reminded me of Horace Grant with more bitching to the refs and a penchant for kicking opposing players in the balls.
Horace Grant could 360 an 18-pound medicine ball.I'll be honest, i don't follow the NBA like I once did but Draymond always reminded me of Horace Grant with more bitching to the refs and a penchant for kicking opposing players in the balls.
Green is similar to guys like Grant and Kukoc from the Bulls teams.
A cog that fit the machine but were replaceable/never saw the same success when removed from Jordan/Pippen
Green is similar to guys like Grant and Kukoc from the Bulls teams.
A cog that fit the machine but were replaceable/never saw the same success when removed from Jordan/Pippen
Basically. Same as Bobby Jones from the 83 Sixer's, Rodman from the 80s Pistons, Charles Oakley/Anthony Mason from the 90s Knicks, Ron Artest from every team he's ever played with, and on and on.
Only thing special about him is that he's a member of a historically great team. The Splash Brothers and Durant are the only special talents on that squad.
Honestly I am not a huge fan of his but I appreciate his play. Certainly Chuck was a better player but Green is more of a winner. If Chuck had Green on some of the teams he played for he would have a ring or two.
if chuck had steph and clay (and Durant for 2-3 years) he’d win as many championships as long as they’re together...
green doesn’t compare with chuck...