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International China Pulls Ahead of US in Quantum Computing Race

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Orgasmo, Jul 16, 2021.

  1. Sauron Red Belt

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    China is not the soviet union.

    Where are you getting this idea that Chinese scientists are 'defecting' to the West. This is the language of the cold war and presupposes that China cannot retain its own talent because it either can't pay them or provide them with a good quality of life. Neither of which are true.
     
  2. 12ga. Gold Belt

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    Sure we faced it before. imperial Germany, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan and USSR were all in same position China is in now. Up and coming peer competitors with USA on all fronts. Needless to say, we went to great lengths to crush them all and are 4 and 0. We'll be 5-0 soon. USA does not accept peer competitors period. What do you think this whole Asia shift Obama started is all about? We are ramping and ramping whole world up for the enviable confrontation.

    For thinking inside the beltway check out Mearsheimer's: tragedy of great power politics book or symposiums on youtube. He advises presidents and views are broadly shared in the DC consensus.
     
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  3. SuperHoss Red Belt

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    Chinese top official defected to US, gave Biden administration info about Wuhan lab, report suggests
    https://in.news.yahoo.com/chinese-t...iWouFNsCFPfGvtVp6bR02nNAlGxN0Pept3wbJwLhcZEfy
     
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  4. Sauron Red Belt

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    Said every empire.

    Barring a war how do you stop China from reaching their potential? By potential I'm just talking about natural economic growth that will allow them to surpass the US.

    Peer competitors don't ask for permission to overtake the incumbent. They just do it. Just like how the US overtook the UK. There comes a point when it becomes impossible to stop.
     
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  5. 12ga. Gold Belt

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    Here is how it plays out. Once Putin is gone we make friends with Russia again and cut off China's fuel and much IP. As I said earlier we'll get our allies which is basically whole world to boycott china on charges of genocide, virus making, market manipulation, etc, so they are alone without resources or income which will cause a revolution within since the ppl tasted the "good life" a bit then will be thrown back into the cultural revolution/stone age times and revolt.

    Only reason it hasnt happened yet is we are transferring our manufacturing assets to India, veitnam etc and Putin is a big problem child.
     
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    What major technological breakthrough has come out of China? Filing more patents does not mean they are more advanced. The impact of a patent matters. Here in the US we get people filing patents for all sorts of widgets , but they aren't what one would call great inventions. When Dean Kamen revealed the Segway on Jay Leno's show as a revolutionary invention, Jay was underwhelmed; he was expecting something far more substantial.

    China is not at the cutting edge of semi conductor technology, which is why they were struggling after Trump imposed restrictions on US technology and pressured the Dutch to not sell their cutting edge semi conductor manufacturing technology.

    China can and does steal a lot of Western and Japanese technology, but stealing only gets you soo far. Even though they have reversed engineered Russian jet engines, they have still had trouble matching the Russian made engines.
     
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  7. kenetics Gold Belt

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    America also owes alot to them since the Chinese developed gun powder.
     
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    Yeah yeah yeah ....... but is China woke? {<redford}
     
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  9. Sauron Red Belt

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    You live in a fantasy land?

    I can't think of a sensible answer to your post because it's so out there.
     
  10. Sauron Red Belt

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    The first post is quite instructive as to where they're headed.

    You seem obsessed with just a few technologies where China is lacking but ignore that they're at the forefront of ai, quantum computing, drones, renewables, high speed rail, 5g, iot etc

    Im pretty sure they'll overcome the semiconductor bottleneck at some point. It's just a matter of time and resource.
     
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  11. Jesus X Hunter eyes

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    they will probably catch up to our navy and airforce in technology the entire city of Shenzhen with its 12.5 million people is basically their silicon valley but for cheaper and they can get things done faster than in the u.s.
     
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  13. PEB Great turntable of space and time dude

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    Recently in similar situation the Chinese admitted they are racing to catch the US an Russia space programs. What US scientists believe is the Chinese even devoting 10's of billions to research in all areas creating entrepreneurial creativity that countries like US is not happening.

    Structure learning and lack of creative activities such as painting an creative writing an such hurts Chinese out of box thinking. Being able to use creativity is something lacking and Chinese are good at mimicking US technology but little shown in bringing new ideas to market. Something tells me the claims need independent oversight.
     
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    Tsk, Tsk.

    The National Quantum Initiative Act is less than $1 billion. There is only $625 million set to be dispersed by the DOE over the next five years.

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. Fluffernutter Gold Belt

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    Just looking at this thread, I see:

    China is spending billions of quantum computing, updating their military by leaps and bounds, and trying to make up for lost time in Space.

    Are they going to bankrupt themselves like the Soviet Union did?
     
  16. D3THRONED Black Belt

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    It’s actually very true. Getting into higher positions are tough for the average Chinese because the CCP treats them as expendable. They aren’t paid top tier at all. You seem pretty clueless.
     
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  17. Wadtucket Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    The Chinese economy is entirely built on slave labor, fake numbers, industrial espionage, fraudulent science papers, and good PR (bribing and honeytrapping Western politicians such as Swalgay and Faucringe)

    Chinese science, goods, and labor are all of horrendous cheap quality and they have no ability to pull ahead since they do not have the ability to innovate or produce quality anything. The only innovative thing that they do is find better ways to cheat and lie.

    Just check out their music industry lmao

    All their so called top students from so called top Unis like Tsinghua are frauds that cheated and bribed their way into the top. The entire educational system of China encourages their students to cheat and lie their way into jobs and positions. Every single Chinese student cheats on their exams.
     
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  18. D3THRONED Black Belt

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    This is pretty spot on. Also, they pay is abysmal because they think getting into these positions is a privilege and you can be replaced easily. China is strong but let’s not overrate them.
     
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    You'd better check outside your window for any vans sporting kanjis roughly translated "you will have happy pizza"
     
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