International [Chinese COVID Vaccines News] After Sowing Propaganda Against mRNA Tech, China Realize They Needs It

[Arkain2K]

This is the official discussion thread for the latest news development on the Chinese Covid inactivated vaccines, including those from Sinopharm and Sinovac.

If you are behind on the news, please read up on the basic facts in the Thread Index to catch up with everyone else instead of jumping in face-first to embarrass yourself.

If you are looking for unscientific anti-vax conspiracy theories or the usual WR partisan squabbles, please turn around and head on over to the thread of your liking.

Hong Kong is expecting a burst of visitors from mainland China seeking mRNA vaccines after the borders reopen.
Up until now, Chinese citizens have only had access to Chinese-made vaccines that have shown almost non-existent efficacy against COVID-19.

Thread Index

• China's CanSino confident its mRNA COVID vaccine as good as Moderna, Pfizer shots (Feb 3, 2023)
• Chinese flock to Hong Kong to get BioNTech/Pfizer mRNA vaccine shots (Jan 13, 2023)
• Chinese-made mRNA vaccine starts trial production (Jan 6, 2023)
  
• Fosun’s Bet on BioNTech's mRNA Vaccine for China Fails to Pay Off (Dec 12, 2021)
  
• Hopes Are Rising for a Homegrown mRNA Vaccine in China (November 10, 2021)
  
• Three Sinovac Doses Fail to Protect Against Omicron in Hong Kong Lab Study (Dec 23, 2021)
  
• 2 doses of Sinopharm vaccine offers very weak protection against Omicron (Dec 18, 2021)
• Hong Kong university researchers says Sinovac doesn't work against Omicron (Dec 18, 2021)
  
• Abu Dhabi Makes Boosters Mandatory for Sinopharm Vaccine (August 29, 2021)
  
• WHO begins shipping Chinese vaccines despite some misgivings (August 26, 2021)
• Covid Shot From China’s Clover Found 79% Effective Against Delta in Late-stage Trials (Sept 22, 2021)
  
• 1.4 billion doses later, China is realizing it may need mRNA COVID vaccines (July 16, 2021)
  
• Malaysia to Phase Out China’s Sinovac (July 16, 2021)
  
• Hundreds of Thai medical workers inoculated with Sinovac are infected as cases spike in Southeast Asia (July 12, 2021)
• Singapore to exclude Sinovac shots from COVID-19 vaccination tally (July 7, 2021)
  
• South Africa approves China's Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine (July 3, 2021)
  
• Doubts growing in Latin America about the effectiveness of Chinese COVID vaccines (June 18, 2021)
  
• Costa Rica rejects delivery of China's Sinovac Covid-19 vaccine, says it is not effective enough (Jun 17, 2021)
  
• Bahrain, Facing a Covid Surge, Starts Giving Pfizer Boosters to Recipients of Chinese Vaccine (June 2, 2021)
  
• China’s Vaccine Diplomacy Just Got a Big Win with WHO's approval (May 7, 2021)
  
• Effectiveness of Chinese vaccines ‘not high’ and needs improvement, top Chinese health official says (April 11, 2021)
  
• Official Admits Chinese Vaccines Have Low Effectiveness as Country Explores Mixing Shots (April 11, 2021)
• Brazil asks Chinese embassy for help securing extra COVID-19 vaccines (March 10, 2021)
• Mexico to rely heavily on Chinese-made coronavirus vaccines, even with lack of data (March 11, 2021)
• Mexico leans on China after Biden rules out vaccines sharing in short term (March 9, 2021)
• Philippines getting all vaccines that China can spare (Jan 18, 2021)
• Squeezed out of the race for Western vaccines, developing countries turn to China (Feb 16, 2021)
• China to send 10 million coronavirus vaccine doses abroad through the WHO's COVAX initiative (Feb 3, 2021)
  
• Serbia's leader is proud to give citizens Chinese vaccine (Feb 5, 2021)
• Turkey receives 6.5 million doses of China's Sinovac vaccine (Jan 25, 2021)
• China to donate 500,000 vaccine doses to Philippines (Jan 17, 2021)
• Sinovac: Brazil results show Chinese vaccine only 50.4% effective (Jan 13, 2021)
• Butantan announce Sinovac vaccine 78% effective in Brazil trial, experts call for more details (Jan 7, 2021)
  
• Egypt approves Chinese COVID vaccine, roll-out likely this month (Jan 3, 2021)
• China approves Sinopharm Covid-19 vaccine, promises free Chinese shots for all citizens
• Sinopharm vaccines used by Duterte’s security detail were smuggled
• China's Sinopharm says its coronavirus vaccine is 79% effective (Dec 30, 2020)
  
• Turkey says China's Sinovac COVID vaccine 91.25% effective based on data from 1,322 volunteers
  
• Philippines: Sinovac vaccine’s 50% efficacy is "acceptable"
  
• Brazil institute says vaccine from China’s Sinovac has efficacy above 50%, withheld full results again at the company's request (Dec 23 2020)
  
• Peru’s Health Ministry has suspended trial for SinoPham's Covid-19 vaccine

 

[Fluffernutter]

Haven't wealthy Gulf counties also been using that vaccine?

 

[Papi Chulo]

-test postive for teh AIDS
-paralyzed from the waist down, can't move your legs

What's next?

Instead of taking the vaccines, I think I'd rather get the rona again

 

[GoldenWolf87]

arent their vaccines also RNA based? if so i am getting concerned for the American/European covid vaccines. According to those some who defend the covid vaccine. The stupid might not apply and should out of the queue

 

[S Class]

Smh.

 

[Arkain2K]

arent their vaccines also RNA based?

No.

And you wasted a long ass post just for not reading first.

So now we have some clinical data on yet another category of vaccine: SinoPharm’s inactivated coronavirus candidate. This is one of the classic vaccine techniques, where an infectious virus is altered by some sort of protein-denaturing treatment (heating or reactive chemistry) to make it noninfectious. But such particles can retain enough of their protein surfaces to set off a useful immune response – the tricky part is inactivating the virus enough so that it can’t infect cells and replicate, but not so much that it presents totally different proteins to the immune system and raises a response that won’t help against the real virus.

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/08/17/sinopharms-inactivated-coronavirus-vaccine

 

[PhitePhan]

No.

And you wasted a long ass post just for not reading first.



https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/08/17/sinopharms-inactivated-coronavirus-vaccine

Not being able to walk is better than being dead due to the coronavirus.

 

[GoldenWolf87]

No.

And you wasted a long ass post just for not reading first.



https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/08/17/sinopharms-inactivated-coronavirus-vaccine

Again i still have my concerns of those RNA vaccine based.

 

[Papi Chulo]

Again i still have my concerns of those RNA vaccine based.

We should have concerns about all these rushed out vaccines. None of these vaccine side effects sounds good.

I get you though

But I'd rather take my chances with getting the rona again.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

We should have concerns about all these rushed out vaccines. None of these vaccine side effects sounds good.

I get you though

But I'd rather take my chances with getting the rona again.

How's it going rip?

 

[Arkain2K]

Again i still have my concerns of those RNA vaccine based.

You made that plenty clear from your first post without reading, yet the fact remains that you are barking up the wrong vaccine tree.

 

[Rocco Siffredi]

Not being able to walk is better than being dead due to the coronavirus.

but not better than getting rona and not dying from it like MOST PEOPLE DO.

Derp.

Head's up for the poor countries in Asia, South America, and Africa who pre-ordered the Chinese vaccine from SinoPharm, which uses the inactivated coronavirus method.

The trial in Peru is now suspended while they're trying to figure out if the developed neurological and mobility issues are directly related to the SinoPharm vaccine itself or not.

I just returned a case of coke from china

 

[cottagecheesefan]

To be honest, certain people are predisposed to certain side effects from viruses themselves, not just the vaccines. Some viruses literally cause the immune system to mutate in a way, and certain populations have genetic predispositions for this.

So for instance, people from Scandinavian counties, or of their blood line, based on how after generations of genetic evolution of handling sunlight... interact differently with the mono virus than other populations. This is very basic article, but the scientific research is there, if interested

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mono-lack-of-sun-linked-to-multiple-sclerosis/

Bottom line, a virus is literally an organism living within you, and can even for a symbiotic relationship, but also and usually a parasitic relationship.

So in the UK, they said people have bells palsy from this vaccine. Well, if you have had chickenpox you are prone to bells palsy (and shingles). Bells palsy can literally shingles/herpes of various facial nerves, just an acute exacerbation.. but usually resolves within a week or a few weeks, especially with anti-virals.

 

[Arkain2K]

So in the UK, they said people have bells palsy from this vaccine.

How is that even possible when the U.K didn't get any dose of this "inactivated coronavirus" vaccine from China at all?

Straight from the article in the OP that I'm absolutely sure that you have read before responding:

Sinopharm is testing its vaccines in Argentina, Bahrain, Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, Morocco and Russia. Egypt and Indonesia have already received early batches of the vaccines.​

 

[Day Drinking]

How is that even possible when the U.K didn't get any dose of this "inactivated coronavirus" vaccine from China at all?

Straight from the article in the OP that I'm absolutely sure that you have read before responding:

Sinopharm is testing its vaccines in Argentina, Bahrain, Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, Morocco and Russia. Egypt and Indonesia have already received early batches of the vaccines.​

He is confusing it with the Pfizer vaccine, and also wrong about that one.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/dec/11/why-you-shouldnt-worry-about-getting-bells-palsy-p/

 

[Stoic1]

Hard pass.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

How is that even possible when the U.K didn't get any dose of this "inactivated coronavirus" vaccine from China at all?

Straight from the article in the OP that I'm absolutely sure that you have read before responding:

Sinopharm is testing its vaccines in Argentina, Bahrain, Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, Morocco and Russia. Egypt and Indonesia have already received early batches of the vaccines.​

I did not read the article, my fault. I saw the title and thought it was the Pfizer one in relation to the reports of bells palsy I saw yesterday.

To be honest, I do not know why anyone would trust a vaccine from China, unless you are a House of Representatives Democrat.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

"SinoPharm" sounds like the name of some evil corporation in a movie that accidentally created zombies.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

He is confusing it with the Pfizer vaccine, and also wrong about that one.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/dec/11/why-you-shouldnt-worry-about-getting-bells-palsy-p/

What am I wrong about, in regards to the pfizer vaccine?

 

[The XL]

If you're under 75 years old with less than 3 health conditions, then their is absolutely no reason to take any of these vaccines.