Could this get you beat up at a grappling gym?

[peregrine]

I think people who come in with a chip on their shoulder should be handled by people who will fuck them up. Guys or Girls.
The rolling etiquette format should be verbalized to them before the first roll. Ultimately do unto others as you'd have them do to you.
Then name and any injuries you're working around.

For the original story...
At the least, tell them wtf that's a girl, they're being a dick, it's an aggressive move that people get hurt by.( A guy I know had to have surgery from it and has lifelong neck problems from a can opener on him. )
Don't get me wrong I fkd up girls too, especially if they are dicks, after I ask them to go lighter and one even mouthed off to me, then she went even harder thinking I was a scrub complaining.

I don't like girls who think they can go balls to the wall cause they're girls vs boys then complain when they get handled. That's taking advantage of people's good nature.

 

[SandisLL]

he rolling etiquette format should be verbalized to them before the first roll.

I think proper paperwork and of course their check up what they understand at all and how they roll.

I think people who come in with a chip on their shoulder should be handled by people who will fuck them up. Guys or Girls.

Of course, but if it will not be possible, what then? Close gym ?

Me too doesn't likes nor girls vs boys nor Art versus Art.

If in gym large guy is paired with small girl and girl gets seriously injured…
Signed contracts might be used to fight in court regards to compensations but law's chain under Romanic heritaged justice, where percepts states that higher laws are more worth than individual contract's content at all.
There contratcts might not help in criminal courts and civil courts in many countries in world.
Womens rights, consumer protection laws, supervising institiutions and comitees, courts and prosecuting institutions etc.

For example, if in gym small girl seriously injured by large guy, womens protection and humans rights specialists, consumer protection institutions, sports comitee and licensing board, police will be informed and then belts will not help.
These specialists, not rarely small womans, will see not belts or what art is better but large guy and small woman plus reports from hospital and medical expertise papers…
Court, where maybe judge will be small woman with Ph.D in law science, might be set up for evaluation, how dangerous is gym for society safety… Close it or no.

 

[yetanother]

Don't get me wrong I fkd up girls too, especially if they are dicks, after I ask them to go lighter and one even mouthed off to me, then she went even harder thinking I was a scrub complaining.

Dude, if I you complain about girls going too hard you are the lamest of scrubs.

 

[nefti]

Don't get me wrong I fkd up girls too, especially if they are dicks, after I ask them to go lighter and one even mouthed off to me, then she went even harder thinking I was a scrub complaining.

I don't like girls who think they can go balls to the wall cause they're girls vs boys then complain when they get handled. That's taking advantage of people's good nature.

Its because you are

 

[Quebec Nick]

I don't like girls who think they can go balls to the wall cause they're girls vs boys then complain when they get handled. That's taking advantage of people's good nature.

I've developped a style and some personnal rolling rules to have fun with the girls. Most of them are 120LBS and under, flexible, with good guards, good technical guard passing, some tricks up their sleeves but they don't have the upper body strenght to handle a 185LBS guy.

So I never scramble or fight a takedown attempt like crazy, I just go on my ass and I play guard. I would win pretty much any scramble when I'm on my knees against a girl but why would I injure her. They now have guard passing opportunity which is fun for them and for me. Girls have very flexible hips and it's a different feel when they knee slide or back step.

In my guard I do them anything I would do to another guy, every sweeps or basic subs is a go, I'm not huge on the kimura from guard, it would be the only one that I would avoid.

When I pass the guard I will do a softer version of my pressure passing, so I won't be stubborn and try to pressure more when they do the proper defense, I will just reset and try something else. It's also a good occasion to do some stand up passing and drill my footwork, most girls have a good open guard and when you don't use your weight it's a fun challenge.

When on top control I don't shoulder pressure too much, I move a lot, I try a lot of stuff I don't stay in the same position too long and I work towards the back. I prefer to go fast to an armbar and then I switch for triangles, that way they don't have to carry my weight too long. I'm very big on getting control with a kimura with the guys, but with the girls it's a matter of seconds before I move to another position.

That way, all the girls like me, I don't feel like a turd and I get something good of what could have been a pointless roll

 

[esteven]

Honestly, all of these sorts of problems are ultimately instructor failures.

 

[SandisLL]

Yes and instructors might face trials in courts and authorities in Safespace places of EU might evaluate in court, how dangerous for society is gym, where large guy injured small woman, especially during Womens rights and anti violence era in media and campaigns against violence from males. Judges and supervising inspectors in xx institutions not rarerly are small womans and they evaluate not only claims, but how dangerous for Safespace era's society is gym.
No joke, we are in Safespace.

 

[peregrine]

Dude, if I you complain about girls going too hard you are the lamest of scrubs.

Context is key
If you have a person not following the specified training or drill... then what?
If the class is isolating a technique and xyz is going off script it is not complaining.
You tell them whether you're the coach or athlete. Shitty partners usually don't intend to be.

People often complain about size, power and strength, yet use attributes of speed and flexibility.
Do unto others as you want them to do to you. If training partners are hurt due to careless training, then there will be no one left to train. Grappling in general needs another body. Educating all on training parameters only helps everyone.
Then if you look at is a larger Male actually getting good training from a Female who is just spazzing? If class has 10rds of sparring and he gets stuck with the girl no one else wants to go with cause she's a spazz for 3 rounds. He's lost 3 rounds of actual training. Multiply that by 3x a week, round it to 10. He's loosing 40rds a month cause of a crap partner. He's loosing rounds, money and time.
40rds lost a month, 480rds lost a year.
Maybe that's too aggressive, just say 20rds lost a month and 280rds lost a year. That's a lot.

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[peregrine]

Actually had a super annoying greco Olympic medalist try to can opener me.
Luckily I have decent neck flexibility from being a wannabe berimbolo guy and after wasting like a minute of him trying to can opener me with all his might he noticed it's a idiotic move and let go. Luckily I'm not a girl so it doesn't fit the complete story.

So if this was a female olympic medalist, and she's launching you 3 supleys in a row, yet you could stuff her with a Hard cross face and post... then what?
You wouldn't just ask her to chill on the supleys?

Or at boxing and she's a national ranked boxer and is doing her best to tee off on you?
Yet you got 60lbs on her and could simply ask her if you guys can work skills and timing.

 

[Normot]

Actually had a super annoying greco Olympic medalist try to can opener me.
Luckily I have decent neck flexibility from being a wannabe berimbolo guy and after wasting like a minute of him trying to can opener me with all his might he noticed it's a idiotic move and let go. Luckily I'm not a girl so it doesn't fit the complete story.

I arm barred a guy during a tournament who was wearing an Team USA Greco rashgaurd when he tried to can opener me. I don't know if he was actually on Team USA even though he did throw me and was strong AF.

 

[yetanother]

So if this was a female olympic medalist, and she's launching you 3 supleys in a row, yet you could stuff her with a Hard cross face and post... then what?
You wouldn't just ask her to chill on the supleys?

Or at boxing and she's a national ranked boxer and is doing her best to tee off on you?
Yet you got 60lbs on her and could simply ask her if you guys can work skills and timing.

I don't box so I can't tell you what I would do.
At bjj a girl who won the european championship at purple actually tried to fuck me up in training all angry and trying use all her strength from the start (I guess because I wasn't interested in chatting with her, he alternates between hating me or liking me depending if I show her attention) and I just played around with some new fancy lapel moves from Keenan on her.

 

[beat...people...up?]

This is why I (female blue belt) avoid white belt guys unless I know them well. Big, strong dudes spazzing and cranking gets dangerous quickly. My gym won't kick people out unless abuse is grievous, but it has an unofficial blacklist of guys not allowed to roll with women (or even smaller people more generally), and instructors will enforce it by steering those guys to other partners.

 

[nefti]

So if this was a female olympic medalist, and she's launching you 3 supleys in a row, yet you could stuff her with a Hard cross face and post... then what?
You wouldn't just ask her to chill on the supleys?

Or at boxing and she's a national ranked boxer and is doing her best to tee off on you?
Yet you got 60lbs on her and could simply ask her if you guys can work skills and timing.

If an onlympic gold medalist is suplexing you and you are not hurt... that means she is toying with you and not spazzing out.

If a nationally ranked boxer is boxing with a noob she will destroy his face if she wanted to.

The delusion is real here....

 

[SandisLL]

Weight difference matters a lot. More than " not noobs " with balck belts dream. Because high level athlete, even amateur, is able to use each lbs advantage in standup/ half standup phases.
Skills and experience too, of course and experience matters a lot.
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I'm not so confident, that Olympic medalist even in dreams might walk arround multiple noobs business gyms and proves something to noobs that are blackbelts, if they mainly earns with " weekend warriors " from offices tutelage fees and brags with their " superior for real life combat " Art " . "

I'm hybrid guy without MMA, TMA or modern arts worship, and I definitely know, that I'm beatable and vulnerable and I can be defeated. I was defeated and was also a winner etc. What's from this?
All Arts tought in full contact are highly usable, respectable and valuable for real life.

If I'll agree to spar really hard with someone in striking art, this will be full Muay Thai rules not entertainment for black belts...Especially I'm not entertainment beating bag for gender campaign enthusiasts.
I like refuse to spar striking with weaker gender.
You cannot dream to beat me with blocks etc without payment if you damage my health for long term with micro injuries for fun.

If something from pure grappling then under sports sambo rules ( no chokes etc ) but if there some BJJ superiority obsessed black belt, maybe better it is to taste on the asphalt in obstacles according to Japanesee Jujitsu or Combat Sambo for service non sports applications. Preferably with cross trained in another arts guy...
Teaches humility better than money from students.

BJJ and Judo are respectable, highly usable and valuable arts for self defense and sports tournaments, including MMA. With high value also in combat applications.

However bragging about real life combat value just because someone is with black belt or someting like it....
The real combat experience might be recieved only in more harash obstacles, when even block might achieve some pains till end of being in this world.

 

[yetanother]

If an onlympic gold medalist is suplexing you and you are not hurt... that means she is toying with you and not spazzing out.

If a nationally ranked boxer is boxing with a noob she will destroy his face if she wanted to.

The delusion is real here....

I think he was trying to do some hypthetical situation where a rampaging tiny yet skilled out of control women is going ham on peregrine's scrub ass and he has to ragdoll her straight to the kitchen.

 

[peregrine]

It's not hypothetical.
A lot of elite athletes are mentally unstable, more so than the general population. Many females involved in fight training and combat sports are unstable. Add to it the pressures of upcoming competition and cumulative brain injuries.
When you get on the mat or in the ring with them ... it can be different.
There's also hobbyist bb and elite bb.

As for the negative machismo comments, I had context and clauses in my posts. You're obviously the real bullies and 'scrubs'. But you could be a 15yo writing punk ass comments dressed as a troll.
Quebec Nick's comments were the most reasonable as well as estevens comment on most of these are instructor failures.

Edit- grammar

 

[zeli_papa]

providing your story its true, what did you do ? did u say: 'u knocked her down, why dont you try to knock me down ? '

or what ?

im.interested how you engage 'em ?
what belts were you and them ?
how it ended ?

I'm a seasoned blue belt , weigh about 87kg, I simply asked them to roll then did exactly what they did to her so knee on belly with some serious riding , brutal back takes with flattening down etc. It happened twice and it was an absolute mauling on both occasions , both of the guys are actually not bad guys , just rolled like absolute idiots and had to be taught a lesson, nothing's been said between us but I'm sure they realised what they've done as they've rolled with my wife after that and there was a dramatic change in the way they rolled, much more gentle , sportsmanlike

 

[SandisLL]

Might be unstable of course, but about some Olympic medalists that I personally know a bit, they used career advisors, advisors how to use their status to establish better postition in life for long term income; advertisement, open some business, get decent job, become trainer, advisor; this is hard to do with bad reputation.
With good career advisor, decent promoter and smart approach even bronze in Olympics is enough not to be lower than middle class till end of life.

In grappling arts I know one Olympic medalist, who managed to get a lot from this fact; position in state sports council, local federation and position in state supported training gym plus advisor's position in private gym ( they glad use his name by means: we are advised by medalist X ).
This means that he is with 4 income sources.
Not aggressive, now lazy but when rolled/ sparred he always calibrated grip strenght and throvs / locks carefully, took in this calculating partner's conditioning, weight, skills. There's he also get degree in this field, so body mechanics, anatomy, physics learned as usually for sports field degrees are taught to students.


Combat athletes, yes, might be guys that always beat hard in sparrings etc. etc.
They often have this reputation forwards them, so coaches/ managers not allow them spar with not suitable for them guys.
Some looks brutal but light safe sparring likes them a lot. I too surprised how different they are.
There's shits happens, It's known more than internet contains....

 

[flikerstance]

Oh, the days. I remember wrestling and doing judo (but focused on wrestling) and coming into my first bjj gym.. being aggressive and silly at times when rolling. I still kind of am, but a little bit more controlled.

quitte curious how popular bjj is in russia id think due to sambo and other grappling it wouldnt be popular at all

 

[Kevza]

Providing the story is true , quite right he got kicked out , I can't stand those idiots going full berserk on some unsuspecting girls, what is that going to prove? I had couple situations in my club where I had to make it even with some idiot white belts going super hard when rolling with my 5"3 wife just because she's a blue belt... Let's just say it wasn't a pleasant experience for them.

So your wife wasn't going hard on them, showing these guys that shes better than them?
Ive had females like this rolling. They are higher belts, and want to prove they can hang with guys. Even women have ego too, and maybe you only see what you want to see, as your ego is wanting to show these guys not to fuck with your wife?

Ive known several women that I take it easy with, but they are spazzing and using sloppy technique to crunch out joints etc.

It doesn't mean I went hard back, but maybe your wife has that ego and was gunning for these newbies, and it didn't work out in her favour?