Does anyone butt scoot anymore? How to beat the BS 101

[-guerilla-]

so basically, if i understand correctly, he is a guy who thinks he is very good at fighting and has a lot of knowledge about the subject to the point of referring to himself as a teacher, making istructional and stuff like that while in reality his skills are sub par at best, and seems unable to realize the fact even after you explain it to him, right?

me and the rest of the internet

At least he has a real verifiable background like i do

"The internet" says a lot of stupid crap

I have a lot more respect for the wolfman
than a handful of anonymous internet trolls slapping away at a computer in their moms basement

Every single one of my posts are backed up with multiple articles and links from reputable and mainstream websites

People have literally suggested I'm a conspiracy theorist when I suggest that the ioc wants to drop wrestling because it has a lower advertising profile Than Gymnastics even though I linked The Wall Street Journal article on the page explaining the whole thing in plain simple economic interests

When someone attacks you personally or suggest that you have some kind of mental inferiority that means that they can't attack your message so in a desperate attempts to deride you they go after the most common of denominators

they just call you stupid

Not the most intimidating of tactics as its smacks of juvenile desperation

Those of us that have a background in military, law enforcement and security work encounter this type of juvenile desperation all the time

I'm not into the goofy Kung phuy magic that Dan The Wolfman believes in but I got to respect the guy that uses his real name on the Internet and backs his comments up with action in the ring

Have a look and see if you can notice the difference for yourself...

 

[AZ103]

At least he has a real verifiable background like i do

"The internet" says a lot of stupid crap

I have a lot more respect for the wolfman
than a handful of anonymous internet trolls slapping away at their computer in their moms basement

You use people's backgrounds to hurl disgusting insults and drag people into your trolling. Being anonymous doesnt mean people aren't credible or credentialed it means you dont fucking know if they are so you should be respectful and open to an agree to disagree situation. Which you are not. Youre some kind of weird grappling extremist who is pretty damn pushy.

Dan is just a braggart. Thats mostly why people get on him. He even brags during technique videos.

 

[-guerilla-]

You use people's backgrounds to hurl disgusting insults and drag people into your trolling. Being anonymous doesnt mean people aren't credible or credentialed it means you dont fucking know if they are so you should be respectful and open to an agree to disagree situation. Which you are not. Youre some kind of weird grappling extremist who is pretty damn pushy.

Dan is just a braggart. Thats mostly why people get on him. He even brags during technique videos.

I have never been rude to anyone who did not break bad first and i literally am the antithesis of a troll using my real name, city and verifiable background

quote a single "disgusting insult" that I have initiated against anyone...you cant because I am 100% respectful and friendly to EVERYONE who responds to my threads until THEY give me a reason not to be...

even you

 

[flikerstance]

i butt scooted n bjj till purple belt i use t hate takedowns till i really learnt how to do them

 

[-guerilla-]

i butt scooted n bjj till purple belt i use t hate takedowns till i really learnt how to do them

its an effective tactic in the game of sport BJJ

problem is it will get you killed anywhere else

i used to look down at the "scooter" in front of me and had to envision their head as a soccer ball

people who scoot are doing a disservice to themselves and grappling sports as a whole...its something that KILLS BJJS mass appeal

 

[Stujitsu1]

I’m sure, but why on earth would you pull 1 Slx in someone iba a sf, clinch, trip mount rnc, simple

Because his opponent is a 7'2 biker. He will never expect it. The wham...heel hook...he walks with a limp.

 

[Stujitsu1]

this.. i guess unless youare a really timid skinny guard player

i really dont get why guys are so afraid of hg and getting "smashed" if you are good or hell a decent blue or purple and not fighting guys ranks above you you should be able to not get flat and be able to hit your attacks thats the awesome thing about hb and hook sweeps is guys know they are coming and are still very hard to stop

leite style hg single to roll over to back takes or going deephalf using that momentum to spin out the back door to come on top are very strong attacks thats basically all i use and need as attacking options so i dont over complicate it

i think people get screwed in half due to there just being so many damn ways to attack with it and it cluster fuck their brain wondering what they should be using attacking instead of just working a good 2 t 3 move series like i listed that you can start to attack with right away to cause them to shut down their offensive

Jeff Monson used the back door deep half sweep religiously with great success!

 

[Stujitsu1]

I concur that sitting on your ass in a street fight is a bad strategy. But if you can butt scoot well, you can get in to sweep, or get out to stand up. I wouldn't expect an untrained spectator to understand the combat relevance of Marcelo Garcias matt cleaning, but in a fight, he will put you on your ass. Butterfly guard is best for mma. You most likely stand up, but if they decide to smash you, butterfly sweep. If they stand, reap the knee! A lot of dudes are saving themselves from gnp by reaping the knee and heel hooking. Even when they don't tap they can't fist pump you while running away from your leg-lock. Also standing up from butterfly can often lead to a guillotine or go behind off a front headlock.

 

[-guerilla-]

I concur that sitting on your ass in a street fight is a bad strategy. But if you can butt scoot well, you can get in to sweep, or get out to stand up. I wouldn't expect an untrained spectator to understand the combat relevance of Marcelo Garcias matt cleaning, but in a fight, he will put you on your ass. Butterfly guard is best for mma. You most likely stand up, but if they decide to smash you, butterfly sweep. If they stand, reap the knee! A lot of dudes are saving themselves from gnp by reaping the knee and heel hooking. Even when they don't tap they can't fist pump you while running away from your leg-lock. Also standing up from butterfly can often lead to a guillotine or go behind off a front headlock.

for me its the consistent "bail out " to butt scoot from standing lockup that is so suicidal

these guys are so worried about the lift or throw that they drop to safety

effective in the ruleset of sport grappling but NOWHERE ELSE

once on the ground [both parties] a buttscoot is a fine set up for a standup/sweep/leg sub

I do it if im down and setting up for a sweep/ standup or leg sub attack....NEVER as a bailout from the standing lockup

 

[Stujitsu1]

I

for me its the consistent "bail out " to butt scoot from standing lockup that is so suicidal

these guys are so worried about the lift or throw that they drop to safety

effective in the ruleset of sport grappling but NOWHERE ELSE

once on the ground [both parties] a buttscoot is a fine set up for a standup/sweep/leg sub

I do it if im down and setting up for a sweep/ standup or leg sub attack....NEVER as a bailout from the standing lockup

Think its the rules. Giving points for takedowns actually encourages this bullshit and guard pulling in general. It makes no sense to me that sweeps count for points if you land in your opponents guard. I would award 1 point for being on top of guard rather than a takedown per se. 2 points for any kind of side control including knee-ride or north-south, 3 for mount, 4 for back including crab-ride or figure-4 body lock.

 

[-guerilla-]

I

Think its the rules. Giving points for takedowns actually encourages this bullshit and guard pulling in general. It makes no sense to me that sweeps count for points if you land in your opponents guard. I would award 1 point for being on top of guard rather than a takedown per se. 2 points for any kind of side control including knee-ride or north-south, 3 for mount, 4 for back including crab-ride or figure-4 body lock.

Yeah I couldn't agree more

rules affect the contest dramatically

personally I consider someone going to guard as having been taken down

If Judo and wrestling are any example BJJ will be wrought with rule fiddling forever

that will make the sport incomprehensible to all but the most dedicated super fans

 

[thugpoet]

Idk why everyone hates "butt scooting" if you hate stop giving points for takedowns and sweeps.

 

[-guerilla-]

Idk why everyone hates "butt scooting" if you hate stop giving points for takedowns and sweeps.

Bailing out of the standing tie up to guard = takedown and it should be the most points earned in any single maneuver +3 for tow down or +5 for "ippon" criteria

Dont reward butt floppers the same way we reward out of bounds tactics

Stop the BS

 

[thugpoet]

Bailing out of the standing tie up to guard = takedown and it should be the most points earned in any single maneuver +3 for tow down or +5 for "ippon" criteria

Dont reward butt floppers the same way we reward out of bounds tactics

Stop the BS

Well if you aren't willing to compromises then nothing will ever resolved

 

[-guerilla-]

Well if you aren't willing to compromises then nothing will ever resolved

Its ridiculous to let people pull Gard
(put themselves in a MMA pounding position) and not lose points

 

[rmongler]

For what reason so we score points for sweeps?

>well, because they get on top

So then, the natural logical conclusion would be to score the act of getting on top itself, leaving open the possibility of whatever potential methods there may be of doing so, and we will find out what methods work best.

>well, if they did that, everyone would just go for takedowns

Hmmm, that would certainly be a funny coincidence, wouldn't it?

>well, they don't score guard pulls because the guy wants to be there

So then, you should also not count submission holds or passes against me either, because, i want him to do that /s.

 

[thugpoet]

Its ridiculous to let people pull Gard
(put themselves in a MMA pounding position) and not lose points

Big nog pulled guard pretty much every fight...

 

[-guerilla-]

At the end of the day all grappling contests SHOULD BE a MMA COMPONENT

All this fiddling around with the rules has created silly games out of Hardcore legitimate grappling

whoever's in the best position to hit the other man is winning

plain and simple

 

[sb413197]

Big nog pulled guard pretty much every fight...

Yep, there are more than a few guard specialists in MMA. More than the "danger" of being on the bottom, the current scoring of MMA makes it less used - in Japanese MMA it was pretty common for guys to win from the bottom using elbow strikes and threatening subs.

 

[-guerilla-]

Yep, there are more than a few guard specialists in MMA. More than the "danger" of being on the bottom, the current scoring of MMA makes it less used - in Japanese MMA it was pretty common for guys to win from the bottom using elbow strikes and threatening subs.

The guard is getting less and less relavent as athletes learn they can just stand up and walk away

I train athletes to stand up, walk away, put their hands up and dance around like rocky...the butt scooter is embarrassed and will stand up...plus everybody in the crowd knows whos winning and will boo the scooter (easy round)

Especially if you throw a few hard shots 1st