Does anyone else consider the one fc muay thai champions the best for mma

Actual photo of the F11 since the main do rag reppin mod decided to leave and never come back and our poor beloved @Valhoven is overworked and needs back up.
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Ain't it the truth. Val doesn't get enough credit
 
That's pretty fucking cool. You interested in sharing video?

I'll see if anyone has footage of it. The Ammy part of the card didn't even make the online stream. My mum might have footage still. I've got some photos from it though, I'll dig them up.
 
Future admin in my opinion. The amount of behind the scenes work that dude does is insane.

I was asking him before what goes into being a mod and the technical stuff he has to do is practically a job in of itself! Never mind being the Sheriff of Tombstone over here
 
I was asking him before what goes into being a mod and the technical stuff he has to do is practically a job in of itself! Never mind being the Sheriff of Tombstone over here
Yeah. The job varies from person to person. His is definitely one of the more technical.
 
Future admin in my opinion. The amount of behind the scenes work that dude does is insane.

Future Sherdog Centerfold as well as I'm sure he's a very beautiful man, ready to be Mr September in Sherdog Monthly.
 
Of course they have some great boxers and even some Thai boxers have excellent boxing skills but boxing has been historically weak in Muay Thai, that's one thing that made fighters like Ramon Dekkers so successful. I agree times are changing and boxing skills are becoming more prominent in Muay Thai but I even had that conversation with one of my trainers over there. A lot of Muay Thai fighters just don't focus enough on their technical boxing skills and a good boxer could go a long way in Muay Thai because of this. But good traditional boxing skills aren't a requirement to being a good Thai boxer, not only because of the scoring but skills like slipping or ducking a punch can get a fighter caught with a kick or a knee.
This is not true and has been disproved countless times.

For some reason people think that if a Thai loses by getting knocked out from a punch, it means that it is ebcause thais have weak hands. So what does it then mean if a dutch loses to a Thai by KO or gets outboxed by a Thai? Ramon Dekkers got outboxed by Thais several times and even KO'd.
 
The reason fighters like Ramon Dekkers, Pornsaneh Sitmonchai, Tanonchai, or Kulabdam tend often win by using their hands, sometimes by KO is not necessarily because they have better boxing skills but because their opponents have more weapons to use, and can win by scoring with a variety of weapons. If relatively to your other skills, your strength is your punches, of course your wins will come from using punches, while the opponent might use kicks, punches, knees, clinching, etc.
 
None of that has anything to do with the quality of their technique - it seems like your knowledge of muay thai is based on reading sherdog posts and watching some youtube videos about it and not actually watching and studying fighters. They don't really have... anything, to learn about fighting. If you have a problem with scoring system, then thats an issue with the sport, not the fighter. That slow first round ironically is why they are so dominant in kickboxing, because they've usually figured kickboxers out after that first round.

It seems like you've basically come in to make an argument for why MMA fighters would beat Muay Thai fighters... but... no, they won't, not in a striking exchange.
lol You guys r like fanatic religious. Muay Thai is not perfect at all. If just they get rid of the bullshit i said they have, their level would improve just for that
 
lol You guys r like fanatic religious. Muay Thai is not perfect at all. If just they get rid of the bullshit i said they have, their level would improve just for that
What is your personal experience with muay thai? Have you actually trained with a legitimate trainer? Have you watched fights?

What are you basing your opinion off of?
 
What is your personal experience with muay thai? Have you actually trained with a legitimate trainer? Have you watched fights?

What are you basing your opinion off of?

He's some jeet kune do weirdo, prior posts are him shit talking other more successful martial arts like karate and muay thai, while defending Bruce Lee on other threads. And sure, Bruce was legit, whatever, he also had the opposite mentality to this guy.

I don't know what it is about kung fu guys, but they re always the least knowledgeable on martial arts, yet always seem to have the most opinions on every other martial art. If they spent more time making their own shit actually functional, rather than trying to 'improve' every other style - maybe they'd get somewhere


lol You guys r like fanatic religious. Muay Thai is not perfect at all. If just they get rid of the bullshit i said they have, their level would improve just for that

You don't understand what you are talking about. Muay Thai is literally the most dominant striking style on the planet and Thailand is the most disproportionately strong nation in combat sports. They dominate every combat sport they have significant numbers in.

Muay Thai literally beat every other striking style back in the style vs style days - but we're supposed to take you seriously when you say 'they have a lot to learn' based on a bunch of nonsense that you've made up.

AND you don't agree with sparring lightly, which is ridiculous.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/elusive-fighters-in-muay-thai.4099222/#post-159815204 < and based on these posts from this thread:
Why they are not copied more?

I thought these guys were the exception in Thailand

You're clearly not capable of learning either. This is all shit you should know by now, but instead you're just trolling.

I've got news for you buddy, if everyone on a specialist striking forum thinks you're wrong, it's not that they're religious fanatics. It's that you're wrong. There's a few posters that could learn that lesson.

Lose the attitude, and stop insulting everyone who calls you out for being wrong.
 
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The reason fighters like Ramon Dekkers, Pornsaneh Sitmonchai, Tanonchai, or Kulabdam tend often win by using their hands, sometimes by KO is not necessarily because they have better boxing skills but because their opponents have more weapons to use, and can win by scoring with a variety of weapons. If relatively to your other skills, your strength is your punches, of course your wins will come from using punches, while the opponent might use kicks, punches, knees, clinching, etc.

This is why I've always objected to the notion the dutch were better boxers than Thais. They weren't boxers, they were punchers. Boxing actually isn't popular in Holland at all, so maybe it's not a surprise, but dutch fighters would sling a combination and then kick. Boxing isn't the punches themselves, it's what you do in between the punches that make it boxing. Thais get this
 
He's some jeet kune do weirdo, prior posts are him shit talking other more successful martial arts like karate and muay thai, while defending Bruce Lee on other threads. And sure, Bruce was legit, whatever, he also had the opposite mentality to this guy.

I don't know what it is about kung fu guys, but they re always the least knowledgeable on martial arts, yet always seem to have the most opinions on every other martial art. If they spent more time making their own shit actually functional, rather than trying to 'improve' every other style - maybe they'd get somewhere




You don't understand what you are talking about. Muay Thai is literally the most dominant striking style on the planet and Thailand is the most disproportionately strong nation in combat sports. They dominate every combat sport they have significant numbers in.

Muay Thai literally beat every other striking style back in the style vs style days - but we're supposed to take you seriously when you say 'they have a lot to learn' based on a bunch of nonsense that you've made up.

AND you don't agree with sparring lightly, which is ridiculous.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/elusive-fighters-in-muay-thai.4099222/#post-159815204 < and based on these posts from this thread:




You're clearly not capable of learning either. This is all shit you should know by now, but instead you're just trolling.

I've got news for you buddy, if everyone on a specialist striking forum thinks you're wrong, it's not that they're religious fanatics. It's that you're wrong. There's a few posters that could learn that lesson.

Lose the attitude, and stop insulting everyone who calls you out for being wrong.
lol Seems like u r obsessed with me, talking about weirdos haha
JKD is not Kung Fu
I never say "this is better than MT", im just saying that can improve, that can be said even if is the best
lol Most in this section are MT fanboys.. thats all
lol at me being the one insulting

I dont think like this about MT only, i think like this with everything.. MMA, KB, and the rest
 
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lol Seems like u r obsessed with me, talking about weirdos haha
JKD is not Kung Fu
I never say "this is better than MT", im just saying that can improve, that can be said even if is the best
lol Most in this section are MT fanboys.. thats all
lol at me being the one insulting

I dont think like this about MT only, i think like this with everything.. MMA, KB, and the rest

You're not thinking at all - the ways you think it can 'improve' are based off falsehoods. If I say to you 'Man your JKD is good, but it would be so much better if you do this thing' and this is a thing you are actually already very good at - then I'm not bringing anything, I'm just revealing myself as blind.

JKD, IS kung fu.
 
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