Isn't kickboxing came from usa?Dutch kickboxing isn't really a thing in of itself.
To put it in the most simple terms, dutch kickboxers compete under what used to be called oriental rules kickboxing, meaning you can kick to the legs and knee. Dutch fighters have a heavy influence from Kyokushin Karate and Muay Thai - but dutch kickboxing in of itself isn't a thing any more than Russian Boxing is a thing. There are trends in how they train such as a heavy focus on partner based drills and hard sparring, but dutch kickboxing and japanese kickboxing aren't hugely different.
Punching into low kicks are normally the most common stereotypical techniques, but Lucien Carbin has a style onto his own, as did the fighters of Vos Gym, Mejiro etc.
As for Savate, Cedric Doumbe moves an awful lot like a savate fighter, who for lack of a better way of describing it move a lot like western boxers do, but with the addition of kicks. It's not a vanished martial art, it's just never been all that successful outside of France. France is a country with very strong kickboxing in general though, with a majority of the best muay thai fighters in Europe coming from France.
Isn't kickboxing came from usa?
So you said there is still Savate gym's?
Kickboxing in America isn't the same thing. American kickboxing is what we have another thread going about, that's a different sport that doesn't allow kicks to the legs, requires a minimum five (I think) kicks per round, could go up to 12 rounds like boxing and is MOSTLY a dead sport. It was more or less replaced with K-1 and a more japanese approach to kickboxing, which is what Dutch fighters thrive in.
The conflation with dutch kickboxing comes from the fact that in the 80s/90s there were a few dutch fighters who competed quite a lot in Muay Thai, with clinch/elbows etc. gyms like Chakuriki used to brand their training as muay thai, but it wasn't so much muay thai as we'd recognise it today as much as it was kickboxers who were competent in the clinch and elbowing who were competing under thai rules.
Nowadays you don't see the dutch competing in Muay Thai very often, they've largely moved on to kickboxing - but for a long time people used to call it 'dutch muay thai', which again, isn't really a thing
Yeah there are still savate competitions too:
I am aware to Ernesto deadly low kicks..When people talk about dutch style kickboxing they mean a style of fighting that is typical for the dutch kickboxers within K-1 rules. Most international kickboxing have now adapted similar ules to what was used in K-1, but not only dutch are fighting in it, there are also chinese, japanese, thai, french etc. So in other words, regular kickboxing is standup fghting without elbows and limited clinching. Dutch kickboxing is the style that the dutch use when they fight in regular, or international kickboxing.
Above waist kickboxing comes from the US and is a different sport.
For a typical old school dutch style of fighting you can look up Ramon Dekkers,Rob Kaman and Ernesto Hoost. It involved a lot of hand bombinations and low kicks. For some more modern fighters you can look at Mohamed Khamal, Ilias Bulaid, Robin Van Roosmalen,
Well it’s pretty weird ,
Japan are known for they tradition martial arts(JJJ, Judo, Karate) i was never imagine that the kickboxing came from there, it’s interesting how they develop it in the recent years.
About the video you sent , its look like they have different cloth’s and the fighters are more skinny.
I personally didn’t notice any different techniques.
I also know they allowed to send push kicks to the knees.
I did noticed that thai fighters use more kicks and barely send punches...tbf, you can do push kicks to to the knees in muay thai as well, it's just a lot of people are in denial about it
People aren't in denial about that are you dumb ?tbf, you can do push kicks to to the knees in muay thai as well, it's just a lot of people are in denial about it
Yes i'd say so. But every fighter is unique. I mean Verhoeven is definitely a dutch kickboxer, but i wouldn't say his style is the most representative for dutch kickboxers.I am aware to Ernesto deadly low kicks..
Is Rico Verhoveen and Peter Aerts are belongs to these names style?
I did noticed that thai fighters use more kicks and barely send punches...
Another strange thing is that in era that violence sell, the Traditional Muay Thai which allow elbows are not famous as k-1 rules competition.
I mean the most close thing to UFC rules i think is muay thai rules, no?
I meant,That's more of a recent thing. If you look at older muay thai from the golden age, you'll see fighters favouring punches more. The scoring was different back then. You will find boxers today who use their hands more though, Sitmonchai Gym is obviously famous for it, and fighters like Rodtang and Kaew Fairtex also like to swing punches.
I am not completely understanding your question unfortunately, so I'm gonna answer based on what I think you're asking. UFC stand up is the closest to muay thai in terms of allowed techniques, there is nothing you can do in muay thai that's banned in MMA, except for the 12-6 elbow.
People on Sherdog are often in denial that you can teep the knee, but as Sylvie Von Duuglas-Ittu pointed out on a reddit thread:
"Teeps to the thigh are pretty common, and even an appreciated technique."
They don't have the same stigma in muay thai that they do in MMA, where they're viewed as a 'career ender' despite never ending a career in the sports history.
So yes, MMA striking is most like muay thai in terms of allowed moves, but MMA doesn't look like Muay Thai striking at all. The distance is different, the pace is faster, it's doesn't look similar at all despite the allowed rules.
I meant,
Why if UFC is probably between 3 of the most successful fighting sport organization there is now is so popular why muay thai tournament is less popular and Glory and K-1(which not based on MT rules) are more popular.
In fact Muay Thai is more "violence" then both.
Nothing strange.Another strange thing is that in era that violence sell, the Traditional Muay Thai which allow elbows are not famous as k-1 rules competition.
But also US doesn't have any muay thai or kickboxing stars. If they had, maybe it would be more popular. Usually anything that vecoles popular in the US becomes popular in the rest of the world. Glory has been trying to create a US kickboxing star for years, but failed every time. Kickboxing is mostly europe, thailand, japan and china. Muay Thai mostly Thailand, then Europe and Brazil
People aren't in denial about that are you dumb ?
Do you even fight ?
Everyone knows they can do that but they also know that it is disrespectful , in a circuit that privileges gambling and fighters fighting several times a year , injury that can happen from that moves are way greater .
Everyone know they can Teep to the face too , do most people do that in the elite level of Muay Thai ? No .
Hell this is basic stuff , you must be new .
They usually teep the thigh, not the knees. It's just a fast way to manage distance and risrupt the opponent. Not a very scoring strike compared to a teep to the torso that clearly off balances the opponent i'd say.