Effective BJJ transitions and submissions are performed at an angle - agree/disagree?

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That is to say, you may be able to perform them in a straight line with your opponent, but they're performed more effectively at an angle.

Just thinking, ninja roll.



Done effectively, the attackers body center line is at 90 degrees to his opponents center line.

Thinking of finishing a triangle.

You can absolutely perform it straight on;

But it feels so much more fluid, efficient and effective, when performed at an angle,

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Attackers center line at 90 degrees to opponents center line.
 
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Heel hooks,



Attackers rotates their body 90 degrees to opponents center line (albeit the rotation is in the vertical plane, vs lateral as per above subs).

Alternately, the attacker can use the hook position to rotate their opponents leg 90 degrees INTO them, before finishing with the hip in extension.

Either way it's still a 90 degree angle of attack.
 
That is to say, you may be able to perform them in a straight line with your opponent, but they're performed more effectively at an angle.

Just thinking, ninja roll.



Done effectively, the attackers body center line is at 90 degrees to his opponents center line.

Thinking of finishing a triangle.

You can absolutely perform it straight on;

But it feels so much more fluid, efficient and effective, when performed at an angle,

Tonon-Triangle-e1552183139581.jpg


Attackers center line at 90 degrees to opponents center line.


I used angles to great effect with yo mama last night
 
Saying a move uses an 'angle' is not informative because every move everywhere is at angle to something.

You need to specify more (ie, have familiarity with what you are talking about) to actually communicate actionable information as to why something may be working.
 
Saying a move uses an 'angle' is not informative because every move everywhere is at angle to something.

You need to specify more (ie, have familiarity with what you are talking about) to actually communicate actionable information as to why something may be working.
Don't bother mate. I tried to explain angles in the last thread.
 
Saying a move uses an 'angle' is not informative because every move everywhere is at angle to something.

You need to specify more (ie, have familiarity with what you are talking about) to actually communicate actionable information as to why something may be working.

That's the point of this thread, to work through different techniques, illustrating the "fulcrum" or effective turning point of the technique it's actually how it applied at close to a 90 degree angle to the opponents center line - be it in the vertical or horizontal plane.

So we've covered two techniques above already.

There are several exceptions however, I would then argue how their entry or setup depends on using angle.
 
Finishing and escaping effectively from neck attack like guillotines etc., huge use of angles, albeit the angle being quite subtle.

How many times have we seen dudes get in on a neck attack and exhaust themselves trying to finish a losing effort.

When - the clutch is in that small finishing adjustment, slight angle adjustment.

.....

Escaping, same deal = turn the neck in to neutralize the angle, then moving laterally to further negate the angle and escape fully.
 
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See what fuckin' gets under my skin terribly is coaches and associations that act and behave like they're the second coming of the BJJ Gods, like they want one big continuous pat on the back.

That pisses me right the fuck off.

So understanding the core concept of certain finishes and how to perform certain movement is THE KEY to
1) practicing them effectively
2) making them work in competition.

And ANGLES is a so damn overlooked core concept that even many top level pros still don't fully comprehend.
 
Another example - Granby Roll:



0:48

Specifically outlines, "not a forward roll, an angle roll", though he says "cartwheel motion" to illustrate attackers body being a 90 degrees to opponents body.

But again, the entire movement functions specifically of the use off that 90 degree angle to the opponent.
 
Ezekiel choke

Cross collar choke
 
Ezekiel choke

Cross collar choke

I say when you deviate from the center line of attack slightly (lean out to the side a little, angling our center line into opponent), it increases the finishing efficacy of these chokes.
 
TP choke. Works best if your hips are lined up with your opponent.
 
Step 1: Claim all submissions or takedowns require an angle to complete.

Step 2: Claim all coaches who have knowledge of high percentage moves and training methods are idiots because they do not blurt out this "knowledge" to their students before practice.

Step 3: Define an angle as literally any type of movement, even straight on movement where the move works better the more parallel you are to your opponent.

Step 4: "Coaches are idiots because they do not tell their students you have to move your body in some sort of way to complete a move."
 
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