Law Florida gives school districts 48 hours to reverse mask mandates or lose funding

Here ya go, Rob.. Getting harder and harder to find this stuff:

Jacobs, J. L. et al. (2009) “Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: A randomized controlled trial,” American Journal of Infection Control, Volume 37, Issue 5, 417 – 419. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19216002

N95-masked health-care workers (HCW) were significantly more likely to experience headaches. Face mask use in HCW was not demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.

Cowling, B. et al. (2010) “Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: A systematic review,” Epidemiology and Infection, 138(4), 449-456. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic- review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05

None of the studies reviewed showed a benefit from wearing a mask, in either HCW or community members in households (H). See summary Tables 1 and 2 therein.

bin-Reza et al. (2012) “The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence,” Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses 6(4), 257–267. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x

“There were 17 eligible studies. … None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”

Smith, J.D. et al. (2016) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis,” CMAJ Mar 2016 https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567

“We identified six clinical studies … . In the meta-analysis of the clinical studies, we found no significant difference between N95 respirators and surgical masks in associated risk of (a) laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, (b) influenza-like illness, or (c) reported work-place absenteeism.”

Offeddu, V. et al. (2017) “Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis,” Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 65, Issue 11, 1 December 2017, Pages 1934–1942, https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747

Self-reported assessment of clinical outcomes was prone to bias. Evidence of a protective effect of masks or respirators against verified respiratory infection (VRI) was not statistically significant”; as per Fig. 2c therein:

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Radonovich, L.J. et al. (2019) “N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial,” JAMA. 2019; 322(9): 824–833. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

“Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. … Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

Long, Y. et al. (2020) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta-analysis,” J Evid Based Med. 2020; 1- 9. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/jebm.12381

“A total of six RCTs involving 9,171 participants were included. There were no statistically significant differences in preventing laboratory-confirmed influenza, laboratory-confirmed respiratory viral infections, laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, and influenza-like illness using N95 respirators and surgical masks. Meta-analysis indicated a protective effect of N95 respirators against laboratory-confirmed bacterial colonization (RR = 0.58, 95% CI 0.43-0.78). The use of N95 respirators compared with surgical masks is not associated with a lower risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

Conclusion Regarding That Masks Do Not Work
No RCT study with verified outcome shows a benefit for HCW or community members in households to wearing a mask or respirator. There is no such study. There are no exceptions.

Likewise, no study exists that shows a benefit from a broad policy to wear masks in public (more on this below).

Furthermore, if there were any benefit to wearing a mask, because of the blocking power against droplets and aerosol particles, then there should be more benefit from wearing a respirator (N95) compared to a surgical mask, yet several large meta-analyses, and all the RCT, prove that there is no such relative benefit.


https://www.jpost.com/health-scienc...in-preventing-covid-transmission-study-666762

Nice post LE.... I think I am going to have to tag it and use it elsewhere. You will be credited.
 
the state mandating what policies a school is and isn’t allowed to enforce regarding masks is an official order to do something, the definition of a mandate .

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...so you're brilliant argument is that the state is mandating that the school districts can't mandate? and it's via... no actual mandate, but withholding funds?

STOP EATING PAINT.
 
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...so you're brilliant argument is that the state is mandating that the school districts can't mandate? and it's via... no actual mandate, but withholding funds?

STOP EATING PAINT.

Yes, a government official mandating a school on what policies it is and it isn’t allowed to enforce via threat of punishment is a form of mandate. If the state government was moving in general to not allow any mandates from the school that would be on thing, but they are not doing that. They are mandating the school and their employees accept very specific risks the schools do not wish to or lose vital funding.
 
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Yes, a government official mandating a school on what policies it is and it isn’t allowed to enforce via threat of punishment is a form of mandate.

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...lolz @ believing that the absence of a mandate (no mask mandate) is magically a mandate.

congrats at making so many posts while your head is inside your colon.


If the state government was moving in general to not allow any mandates from the school that would be on thing, but they are not doing that. They are mandating the school and their employees accept very specific risks the schools do not wish to or be lose vital funding.

you're a mandate.
 
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...lolz @ believing that the absence of a mandate (no mask mandate) is magically a mandate.




you're a mandate.

dummy, if the absence of a mandate was a decision the schools made on their own you’d be right.

But the opposite happened. They were ordered to change course. They were given an official order regarding what their mask policy could and could not be.
 
dummy, if the absence of a mandate was a decision the schools made on their own you’d be right.

But the opposite happened. They were ordered to change course. They were given an official order regarding what their mask policy could and could not be.

no, they weren't.

first of all, they weren't even ordered.
secondly, they were told to not have a mandate, vs to have a specific policy. AGAIN, you have this COMPLETELY BACKWARDS.

what an asshat.
 
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Doctors in Florida walked off their jobs over anti-vaccination stance they are done with Governor Deathsantus.
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Dozens of doctors across South Florida staged a symbolic walkout Monday to protest a surge in unvaccinated COVID patients, news outlets reported.

“We are exhausted. Our patience and resources are running low, and we need your help,” Dr. Rupesh Dharia of Palm Beach Internal Medicine told WPTV



About 75 doctors from numerous offices and hospitals took part in the protest, according to WPTV.
 
The docs also pleading for the community to get vaccinated saying it’s safe and the only way out of the pandemic.

delta: hold my beer
 
no, they weren't.

first of all, they weren't even ordered.
secondly, they were told to not have a mandate, vs to have a specific policy. AGAIN, you have this COMPLETELY BACKWARDS.

what an asshat.

Change your policy or we are going to cut the funding you need to educate these children is ordering a school to stop doing something.
 
Change your policy or we are going to cut the funding you need to educate these children is ordering a school to stop doing something.

...for starters, that's still not a mandate.

secondly, it's not even what the threat was.

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The Florida Department of Education said it then will start gradually withholding state funds -- equal to 1/12 of the salaries of the board members, monthly -- "until each district demonstrates compliance," according to a statement.

The order prohibits the districts from letting the reduction of funds "impact student services or teacher pay"

this is fucking embarrassing. you're clueless about... every part of this. as usual/your MO, it seems...
 
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Doctors in Florida walked off their jobs over anti-vaccination stance they are done with Governor Deathsantus.
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Dozens of doctors across South Florida staged a symbolic walkout Monday to protest a surge in unvaccinated COVID patients, news outlets reported.

“We are exhausted. Our patience and resources are running low, and we need your help,” Dr. Rupesh Dharia of Palm Beach Internal Medicine told WPTV



About 75 doctors from numerous offices and hospitals took part in the protest, according to WPTV.

The article you linked does not mention DeSantis or any policy they want changed.
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...for starters, that's still not a mandate.

secondly, it's not even what the threat was.



this is fucking embarrassing. you're clueless about... every part of this. as usual/your MO, it seems...

ordering a school board to change their policy or you will cut funding to pay them to operate, and you need a functioning school board to operate, is an official order to that school board to do something, thus a mandate. Change this action or we’ll cut your pay in half is ordering someone to do a thing you dummy. That’s the text book definition.

murmuring “but but but..it’s not” and panic posting memes isn’t making any sort of case otherwise.
 
https://www.wesh.com/article/90-of-lake-county-6th-grade-class-quarantined-officials-say/37376472

90% of the 6th grade at one school under quarantine, principal said fuck it, and sent the entire 6th grade home. Most schools in my area roughly 10% are home learning due to contact tracing. Every day at my daughters High School there are 5 to 10 kids that tested positive for COVID, every day. It probably wont be long until she is back to home schooling because of contact tracing.
No wonder Ron Desantis is down in polls for Florida Governor race, to an effeminate male version of SHillary AKA Charlie Crist.
Charlie has never met an issue that he has not been on both sides.

Another article showing the quarantine shit show schools are turning into.
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2350...florida-as-orange-board-plans-mask-discussion
 
ordering a school board to change their policy or you will cut funding to pay them to operate, and you need a functioning school board to operate, is an official order to that school board to do something, thus a mandate. Change this action or we’ll cut your pay in half is ordering someone to do a thing you dummy. That’s the text book definition.

murmuring “but but but..it’s not” and panic posting memes isn’t making any sort of case otherwise.

wow. i don't know what's more hilarious - the amount of backpedaling and goalpost shifts you just did (while seemingly indignant) or the fact that... it's STILL not a mandate.

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i can tell you to clean your room - it's not a mandate. i can tell you i'm cutting your allowance... still not a mandate. diego and fabia - that's a mandate.
 
wow. i don't know what's more hilarious - the amount of backpedaling and goalpost shifts you just did (while seemingly indignant) or the fact that... it's STILL not a mandate.

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i can tell you to clean your room - it's not a mandate. i can tell you i'm cutting your allowance... still not a mandate. diego and fabia - that's a mandate.


Slashing an entire school board’s salary in half is equal to “cutting an allowance”? That’s most intelligent defense you could come up with? 0/10.

Even herb dean would have called it by now.
 
Slashing an entire school board’s salary in half is equal to “cutting an allowance”? That’s most intelligent defense you could come up with? 0/10.

Even herb dean would have called it by now.

holy shit. you've been wrong about everything. you can't seem to say ANYTHING that's actually correct. it's astounding.

1/12th is not "half."

also, it (allowance) was a fucking analogy. dumber, it's perfectly valid - AS NEITHER ARE MANDATES.

what a fucking retard.
 
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Doctors in Florida walked off their jobs over anti-vaccination stance they are done with Governor Deathsantus.
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Dozens of doctors across South Florida staged a symbolic walkout Monday to protest a surge in unvaccinated COVID patients, news outlets reported.

“We are exhausted. Our patience and resources are running low, and we need your help,” Dr. Rupesh Dharia of Palm Beach Internal Medicine told WPTV



About 75 doctors from numerous offices and hospitals took part in the protest, according to WPTV.

What has Desantis said that is “anti-vax”?

he’s not….
 
is this even a serious question? because it's reductio ad absurdum as fuck.

It is tounge-in-cheek. My point still stands. School boards are elected to make school rules and mandates. It is their job. Republicans are not against mandates. In fact, they like and use them often. They are against this mandate. Imagine if it became standard practice for governor's to withhold funding from school districts who make decisions they do not like.
 
It is tounge-in-cheek. My point still stands. School boards are elected to make school rules and mandates. It is their job. Republicans are not against mandates. In fact, they like and use them often. They are against this mandate. Imagine if it became standard practice for governor's to withhold funding from school districts who make decisions they do not like.

imagine if school boards started making asinine mandates. including ones that are superseded.

oh, wait.
 
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