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Social Housing is a human right?

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Here's the thing, Aug 3, 2021.

  1. JudoThrowFiasco Charming Quark Platinum Member

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    It's not just housing, it's the cost of maintaining and operation of the housing. Not to mention that these people need a tremendous amount of hand holding and access to other resources which means they will need to be housed in areas in which will be near actual property owners and thus lowering their value. Personally I just accept that the vast majority of homeless are just defective and will never contribute more than they cost. They don't provide a significant ROI

    Then again, if the government wants to offload public land to developers to build low incomes homes, then that could work... But again, these people need a large network of hand holders which means they will always be placed in city scapes and not just be build up in skme ouccipied land in the middle of nowhere.

    Maybe a solution can be given to the capable homeless who don't need all the resources the "baby bird" segment of the homeless would need
     
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  2. Pullmyfinger Blue Belt

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    I asked the question I wanted to.

    Thank you though.
    I appreciate it.
     
  3. DragRacer Silver Belt

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    So that’s who you want to give houses to?

    Or literal bums under the bridge who don’t do shit for themselves. Because you’ve mentioned both in this thread.

     
  4. skysolo Gold Belt

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    Which is which?
     
  5. PinkFlammingo Green Belt

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    I'm not saying it to mean someone who is earning minimum wage should be able to purchase a 300k house.
    More like the last time we changed minimum wage to 7.25, houses were under 200, and now they are easy over 300
     
  6. DragRacer Silver Belt

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    People working their ass off with a slim savings are not the same thing as bums under a bridge.

    Only one of the two is worth helping.

    Getting a little off topic, but the paycheck to paycheck people would benefit tremendously from education in personal finances and time/resource management. That’s a charitable organization I could really get behind. Fuck giving people free shit, that’s a trap.
    Teach them how to be a better version of themself, and their aggregate quality of life will soar. People feel fulfilled when they do things for themselves, and they ultimately resent handouts.

    Let me take a look at the books of some of the paycheck-paycheck folks, and watch what they do for a week or two... there’s always improvements to be made to collectively position them for upgrades in life.
    It’s hard to see the path when you’re stressed to the limits, and that’s where free education and counseling could be a big help.

     
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  7. evansusmc2 Red Belt

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  8. 12ga. Gold Belt

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    This. About half the homeless need to be in a sanitarium though. They are crazy. Which brings us to Health care is a human right too.
     
  9. DragRacer Silver Belt

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    That’s awesome. Just remember that’s a carefully selected community of people not open to the general public. The members have got to collectively want you, and you need to be voted in. No freeloaders.

     
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  10. DragRacer Silver Belt

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    Everyone who would have been committed to a mental hospital 30+ years ago is now roaming the streets and sleeping under a bridge. The system has failed them.

     
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  11. freakroor Brown Belt

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    if they have tiny houses then they arent homeless any more
     
  12. skysolo Gold Belt

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    So the government of the richest country to ever exist means simply watching people (and children) live under bridges and in the woods because they aren't worth helping. Better get those bootstraps.

    40% of the country doesn't have $1000. This isn't an issue of "let me look at their books".
     
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  13. Spiritual Sight Banned Banned

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    Yep, but it's also a major part of how the modern nation of Israel was established. People from anywhere in the world could go and randomly join one of the Kibbutz. That includes non-Jews. They do things different these days.
     
  14. BIKES! So then I said... Platinum Member

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    Why stop at housing being a right? Shouldn’t everyone have a right to a Ferrari, Beach House, Yacht and private Jet like Lebron, Will Smith and Tom Cruise?
     
  15. lilelvis Red Belt Platinum Member

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    It’s hard to give people something they don’t want.. there will always be homeless people.
     
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    So if it's a right the only way to realy make it work is for the government to own all homes/apartments and you are issued one.

    No landlord wants to rent to people that are going to tear their stuff to hell so the lose money on it.

    No one wants to own a home next to section 8 rental house as it destroys your homes value.

    Sure help the working poor that are doing the best they can but some homeless the best you can do is make stuff available if they follow the rules . If not then they are a on their own.
     
  17. EndlessCritic Steel Belt

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    Shelter should be a human right for a first world country. The only question is the quality of that shelter people should be entitled to.
     
  18. MoparOrNoCar Silver Belt

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    If you care so much about people sleeping under bridges, why don't you go find yourself a person under a bridge and completely change their life with your own money? Prove that you care as much as you pretend to on here.
     
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  19. plataoplombo Purple Belt

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    No, housing is not a human right. There are already programs for the poor that assist them such as Section 8 and a few others. If you're not considered poor then you need to work and contribute taxes to pay for all the welfare benefits.

    For those that do believe housing is a human right. Who decides who gets to live where? What about in areas with good jobs and economy but no buildable land? How do you plan on removing market competitiveness? Just a reminder for those of you that are pro government intervention in markets, look at what is going to happen to people once this eviction moratorium is finally over.
     
  20. plataoplombo Purple Belt

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    Which then leads to food is a human right and so on and so on. Eventually there will be no need to work since everything is a right and society will collapse.
     
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