Social Housing is a human right?

Everyone should have a safe warm, dry place to live
 
nhbbear said:
there are plenty of sources of money for things like this that don’t completely rely on government spending. Bezo’s wife would be a source for example, as would other obscenely rich people and companies. We need to do something about the addiction levels, do you agree on that?
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So we just take money from other people... not you of course, but others?

I'm shocked...
 
Contempt said:
So we just take money from other people... not you of course, but others?

I'm shocked...
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I didn’t say take it away from them. Let them donate and put their money where their mouth is
 
nhbbear said:
I didn’t say take it away from them. Let them donate and put their money where their mouth is
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...and if they don't? Obviously, they haven't so far so where is the money for your little socialist utopia coming from?
 
Contempt said:
...and if they don't? Obviously, they haven't so far so where is the money for your little socialist utopia coming from?
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first time in my life I have ever been accused of being socialist. Hilarious. I am saying wherever the money comes from we need more funding for inpatient treatment for addicts or things continue to get worse. It needs to happen
 
nhbbear said:
first time in my life I have ever been accused of being socialist. Hilarious. I am saying wherever the money comes from we need more funding for inpatient treatment for addicts or things continue to get worse. It needs to happen
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"It needs to happen"

Define needs to? You mean you'd "like" it to happen?

In life, there will always be winners and losers. Nothing you can do will change that.

...and I didn't call you a socialist, I called your proposal.
 
Blayt7hh said:
Oh, well if you know a guy :rolleyes:
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If you have an idea on the majority of my tax dollars wont go toward feeding a drug users habit, I'd be all ears.

The reality of homelessness and what your propaganda tells you homelessness is are two completely different things.
 
MoparOrNoCar said:
If you have an idea on the majority of my tax dollars wont go toward feeding a drug users habit, I'd be all ears.

The reality of homelessness and what your propaganda tells you homelessness is are two completely different things.
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You don’t even know what my opinion is on it. Your basing an opinion an making an argument against a whole group of people based on you anecdote about one single person.
 
Blayt7hh said:
You don’t even know what my opinion is on it. Your basing an opinion an making an argument against a whole group of people based on you anecdote about one single person.

Somewhat ironically you’re accusing me of buying into propaganda while your anecdote sounds like generic republican outrage propaganda.
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No, I'm basing an argument on what the reality of the situation is and I gave one example of it. My anecdote is a situation a family member got herself into recently with a guy.

You getting mad that I don't want to give my money toward housing drug addicts is all I need to know about your opinion.
 
MoparOrNoCar said:
No, I'm basing an argument on what the reality of the situation is and I gave one example of it. My anecdote is a situation a family member got herself into recently with a guy.

You getting mad that I don't want to give my money toward housing drug addicts is all I need to know about your opinion.
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I’m not getting mad. Just pointing out the massive glaring flaw in your reasoning.

All you need to know about my opinion? Guess what goober, I actually don’t think there is much we can do about it and don’t support some massive public housing project. I just have much better reasons than “I know this one guy”. Your money. Man some of you guys got the biggest victim complexs.
 
Contempt said:
"It needs to happen"

Define needs to? You mean you'd "like" it to happen?

In life, there will always be winners and losers. Nothing you can do will change that.

...and I didn't call you a socialist, I called your proposal.
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No, not “I want to” it needs to happen. We do not have nearly enough treatment centers or beds for inpatient treatment. We spend billions on unneeded shit but this is needed
 
Blayt7hh said:
I’m not getting mad. Just pointing out the massive glaring flaw in your reasoning.

All you need to know about my opinion? Guess what goober, I actually don’t think there is much we can do about it and don’t support some massive public housing project. I just have much better reasons than “I know this one guy”. Your money. Man some of you guys got the biggest victim complexs.
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Now you're just being purposely obtuse. I just explained myself in the last post and you're doubling down on your initial assumption that is wrong. Not sure what to tell you at this point other than enjoy your strawman. When you grow up, get back to me and we can continue this.
 
MoparOrNoCar said:
Now you're just being purposely obtuse. I just explained myself in the last post and you're doubling down on your initial assumption that is wrong. Not sure what to tell you at this point other than enjoy your strawman. When you grow up, get back to me and we can continue this.
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Obtuse about what? I’m trying to teach you a life lesson about making assumptions here. You didn’t explain shit. You just stated that this is a is reality. You aren’t basing it on anything other than your one example. Seeing as how you jumped to conclusions about my stance on it right away I have no reason to believe you have ever given any of this any real thought. No, you watched some right wing propaganda. That’s really where your opinions come from and we both know it.
 
Blayt7hh said:
Obtuse about what? I’m trying to teach you a life lesson about making assumptions here. You didn’t explain shit. You just stated that this is a is reality. You aren’t basing it on anything other than your one example. Seeing as how you jumped to conclusions about my stance on it right away I have no reason to believe you have ever given any of this any real thought. No, you watched some right wing propaganda. That’s really where your opinions come from and we both know it.
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I gave my opinion and I gave one example. I did not say that my opinion was based on that one example. Is that too difficult for you to understand? I'm not sure how else I can say it but you've got your mind made up that my one example was not just an example but an anecdotal claim that just because I know one guy in this situation, it means that I think every homeless person is just like that guy. My point was that there's no way to differentiate between someone like that guy and the people who really need help because the vast majority of homeless people are like that guy or worse.

Right wing propaganda does not say anything about drugs and homelessness. Common sense does. The tent under the overpass does not have a family of 4 in it because mom and dad got laid off because of covid. I'm sorry that your propaganda makes you believe this but it's not true. Most homeless people aren't homeless because they're just down on their luck. Most are a mix of drug users, people with mental issues and a mix of the two.
 
nhbbear said:
Oh man, this is a conflicting issue for me. I did homeless outreach for a few years and I will tell you that being homeless is tough and I don’t wish that on anyone. I believe that housing should be a right but there are those that are currently homeless that simply could not exist in any type of living environment. They would tear the place up, not pay rent, and break any and all rules because of mental illness and addiction issues.

The question isn’t that housing is or is not a right but how do we pay for it and continue to pay for it for those that can exist in housing?
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We shouldn't deny public funded or subsidized housing to homeless people based the % of homeless that will trash the place. Just as we shouldn't deny benefits to struggling people based on the % who abuse the system.

The ones with mental health issues need mental health treatment. Some will fall through the cracks, but nothing is 100% , so the best society can do is help as many as possible.
 
Housing isn't a right. If you want to put an end to homelessness... then go out and do it. Nothing is stopping you. Convince people to make it happen of their own volition.
 
nhbbear said:
No, not “I want to” it needs to happen. We do not have nearly enough treatment centers or beds for inpatient treatment. We spend billions on unneeded shit but this is needed
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Again, it doesn't "need" to happen or it would have already. The situation can and will likely just continue on as it has been so far.
 
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