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Law How should the Federal Government handle the unvaccinated?

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Diogenes of Sinope, Aug 3, 2021.

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How should the Federal Government handle the unvaccinated?

  1. Mandate all citizens to get vaccinated, punishable by law

    5.3%
  2. Mandate all businesses to have vaccinated employees. If they dont comply, they can be terminated

    2.9%
  3. Mandate all businesses to check customers for vaccination "pass"

    2.9%
  4. Allow citizens to choose if they want to revaccinated or not

    93.2%
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  1. djacobox372 Steel Belt

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    It should be a choice... with consequences.

    If employers, including government employers, want to mandate a vaccine for their employees, that's fine, that's their right. I'm also okay with mandating it for school children that want to attend public school.

    But that's about as far as any "mandate" can go.
     
  2. Scerpi Red Belt

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    lol.... Yes, it's still experimental. And there was no animal experiments. Previous mRNA vaccines had issues in animal testing when they were reinfected with the original virus.

    People have every right to be hesitant about taking the mRNA vaccines... And it's sad to see to the left pushing the theories it's coming only coming from the "Evil" Republicans.

    And the condensing attitude by Democrat leaders about people who are hesitant to the take the vaccine is embarrassing and transparent. Likely to push people even further away.

    Throw in the ever changing messaging and at times, lies... There's a huge part of the general public whos faith in our leadership, both elected and appointed... is completely shattered. And this is coming from both Red and Blue voters...

    Personally? Do I think I think you should get vaccinated?

    Older? - Yes
    Health Issues? - Likely Yes (depending)
    Younger (under 35?) - Maybe
    Under 18 - Fuck No... Not until Phase 3 trials are complete.

    Why do I feel that about kids? Because it's completely unknown if there are long term side effects. If you're older or sick... then any long term side effects are countered by the fact the vaccine will likely help survive an infection and avoid a hospital visit. But if you're 13... Then you have decades to live with any unknown side effects... maybe it's heart or liver issues. And the previous MERS mRNA vaccine had issues with causing liver damage in mice... and also heart issues. So you're asking a parent to potentially give their kid an EXPERIMENTAL vaccine that may give their kid heart/liver issues... But if their kid gets sick with COVID naturally, the chances of ANY long term effects are practically zero... unless the kid has extreme health issues already.

    That's fucking insane...
     
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  3. MoparOrNoCar Silver Belt

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    Pure trash.
     
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  4. Ichibanner Brown Belt

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    Angela Durante - How dare a Research Fellow working in a University's Biomedicine and Research Department have an opinion! Who cares about her experience in the cardiovascular field??!

    Denis Rancourt - A physicist with an understanding of particles and O2 / CO2 gases? Why the hell would he have anything to say on masks and exhaled particles?????!!!!!

    Lurent Leduc - Why the f*ck would he have anything to say on the ethics of forcing vaccination or stigmatizing the unvaccinated. Damn Ethics Professor who touts using the Scientific Method!

    Donald Welsh - A Yale grad who served as the Chair in Molecular Neuroscience and Vascular Biology at Western University. He should shut his filthy, undereducated mouth!!!

    John Zwaagstra - What the hell would the author of Engineering and Therapeutic Use of Single-Chain Bivalent TGF-beta Family Traps, The nucleotide sequence of herpes simplex virus type 2 (333) glycoprotein gB2 and analysis of predicted antigenic sites, Analysis of the contribution of receptor subdomains to the cooperative binding and internalization of transforming growth factor-β (TGF-β) type I and type II receptors, and many other Peer-Reviewed and published studies know about COVID????!!!!

    Jan Vrbik - Someone knowledgeable in Math and Statistics? Huh? What can someone who can break down statistics like COVID infection rates, COVID hospitalizations, vaccinations, etc offer us??? The CDC knows it al! Our Government and the WHO must be able to look at data better than this dude!

    Valentina Capurri - Obviously some dumb chick who got her PHD and wrote “Canadian Public Discourse around Issues of Inadmissibility for Potential Immigrants with Diseases and/or Disabilities". Anyone can author a book! Why listen to her???!!

    By all means, continue to discount the credentials of these people who most likely have attained a higher level of education and greater understanding of their fields than yourself.

    I'd wager that you think we should be listening to Bill Gates.
     
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  5. boxingskills Training to break world records.

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    There should be no such thing as a mandate. There should be a choice.
     
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  6. Rational Poster Actually the Best Poster

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    You seem triggered.
     
  7. Spiritual Sight Banned Banned

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    The government should be unseated and a new and just government should be instated by means of Common Law/Public Law institutions. The people in media should be put on trial and some of them hanged.
     
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  8. Heisenboom 33 Platinum Member

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    I want the best for everyone.
     
  9. PhitePhan Brown Belt

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    Pathetic.

    Gaslighting is all ya got.

    <{clintugh}>
     
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  10. DeathIsHere Green Belt

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    Not against the vaccines, plan to get one ASAP, but I don't think it should be mandated in this way. I think businesses should be able to make their own decisions for the safety of their own employees on whether they require vaccines as well (for employees or customers), that shouldn't be up to the government.
     
  11. Teppodama Silver Belt

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    So basically, coercion.
     
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  12. djacobox372 Steel Belt

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    WTF are you talking about? nothing I said was coercion. I said that businesses and government institutions should be allowed to mandate if they choose to... that's not coercion.

    Coercion would be along the lines of tax breaks for those who mandate, or extra government restrictions on those that don't. I'd be against that.
     
  13. Teppodama Silver Belt

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    Coercion is compelling a party to act in an involuntary manner by use of threats, including propaganda or force. I would say that instilling the fear of job loss is coercive. Denial of access to public institutions or venues I would describe as coercive. Removal of access to common social discourse platforms in partnership with government if one puts forth unapproved ideas or comments counter to the governments desired narrative I would describe as coercive.

    Let's see, revoke or deny them employment. Censor what they can say, limit were they can go, censor or limit their ability to find information outside approved official government backed sources. Increasingly call for further sanctions, censures and punishments for not accepting government dictated, approved or recommended mandates. Corporate interests working in tandem with government to effect this.
     
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  14. spamking Click, click, boom! Platinum Member

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    Sounds like something someone who calls others selfish pricks might say . . .
     
  15. TriangleMonkey Silver Belt

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    Thats a good question. That will need to be settled once they make the dose mandatory for us workers.

    -who’s dime is the test on?
    -who’s time is the test on?
    -how often?
    -which is the preferred method of test?
    -what are the actions for positives?
    -what if you are still positive after quarantine due to a false positive result?



    Plenty of details need to be addressed. As far as costs, idgaf how much it costs them. I work for one of the wealthiest cities in California.


    Another question, if vaccinated can still get covid and transmit it, why dont those folks undergo testing as well?
     
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  16. Protectandserve Red Belt

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    What no option for FEMA Concentration Camps?
     
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  17. freakroor Brown Belt

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    the federal government should not handle anything , to be honest, except protecting us against invading armies, and building/maintaining infrastructure.
     
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  18. lifelessheap Gold Belt

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    Is your time valuable? But really, these experimental shots may turn out to be great in 5 years. Or people might start dropping dead from heart failure. Sure is interesting.
     
  19. Diogenes of Sinope Red Belt

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    I just realized you have an Operation Ivy avatar. a nice Bay Area gem
     
  20. Diogenes of Sinope Red Belt

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    They're rationalizing the virus as an equivalent to that
     

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