One can see shades of the dynamic here as well.
Setting aside Bernado's dvd sales hyperbole, Dean Lister is a man who has had a lot of success applying heel hooks on world class opponents over the course of a long career... which can also demonstrate how sometimes even a high level guy can be doing something, and having success with it, without necessarily explicitly verbalizing what it is exactly that they are doing (or even be explicitly conscious of what it is exactly that they are doing).
He frequently reiterates how the 'pull the heel across the chest' notion is wrong, but when he gets to demonstrating what he himself does, the verbalization has a sort of, 'almost but not quite' quality to it. He talks about falling strait back, but there are a lot of guys who go after outside heels hooks, that fall strait back, and fail to get a finish. What is it that is making a difference for him?
When you look closely, you can see how, by keeping the foot tight in place, it causes him to engage in a slight lat bend as he falls - bending him in on the foot, not away from it - which in turn causes the leg to undergo rotation as the hips extend. Once you explicitly recognize what is happening, you can emphasize the essence; knowing the right direction for motion, you can go even *further* into that motion, necessary for aligning yourself and the opponent's leg into a compromising position, greatly multiplying your finishing power.
Not every angle from which you can attack an outside heel hook requires you to cut an angle like this, and inside heel hooks rarely ever require it in the same way (since there, the way you need to turn the leg, and the direction of a linear extension, are almost the same direction), but it is a vital factor in the most common positions for outside heel hooks (ie, face to face), in order to accomplish what is needed to get a finish; a structure whereby multi-directional torque becomes applied to the leg itself, but no rolling force is applied to the opponent's body as a whole. Gaining a structure through which it becomes possible to apply this force to the leg, without either rolling, or allowing the opponent to roll: much the same as like with any form of leg lock.
Yeah, "shades" being the operative word there.
without necessarily explicitly verbalizing what it is exactly that they are doing (or even be explicitly conscious of what it is exactly that they are doing).
Another way of saying that would be, "without being explicitly cognizant of what it is exactly they are doing" - and if they're not cognizant of it = they're not going to teach it correctly.
Lister is a baby gorilla - it's makes all the sense in the world he doesn't have highly refined cognition.
So, that video demonstrates the old/wrong way to finish.
So how did Lister get so many subs via this sub?
By default of his position there, he does seem to be getting some inward hip thrust = attacking the knee.
Plus insane baby gorilla power applied to a torque - it's like a modified outside toe hold vs how a heel hook is meant to be correctly performed.
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I think that's where the historical flawed ideology comes from.
Guys twist and, without even knowing it they were pushing their hips in, getting the tap - often due to reckless application - injuring their opponents, then this philosophy of
"torquing to finish" and the
"heel hook being to dangerous to even use in practice" and
"you don't feel the submission until it's too late and your knee is trashed" came into play.
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Same thing here with Imanari from way back:
He attempts initially with a torque, fails, attempts again with a torque = no tap - switches his legs into the position Lister is using in the above vid, goes belly-down, THEN gets this submission (which fucked Jean Silva's knee).
i.e. torquing = no bueno.
You can actually see in that video, the torque does nothing - but
the EXACT moment (5:57) during the belly down position that his hips press downwards on Silvas knee whilst it's in that lateral position = horrific pain, damage and tapping.
As we see in his more recent vids he's refined his understanding of the sub.
