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Law Infrastructure Debate in Congress: Senate passes bill 69-30

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Lead, Jun 11, 2021.

  1. Lead /Led/ like an old Nellie Platinum Member

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    Updated Post 8/10/21
    Senate Passes $1 Trillion Infrastructure Bill
    New York Times


    Updated Post 7/3/21
    House passes $715 billion transportation and water infrastructure bill
    CNN

    Seems like this might be the bill that is used between the House and Senate if the bipartisan Senate infrastructure bill passes. Since the Senate hasn't even released a bill, the House has somewhat set the stage for negotiations between the two chambers. What's interesting is if this is the only bill needed to get something to Biden's desk, it might mean Pelosi might be okay with it not being tied to the reconciliation bill. Seeing different reports about whether it's a completely different bill or possible to match up to the Senate bill. Haven't seen the main differences between each. My guess would more green energy initiatives and more spending are in this one but again, the Senate hasn't actually released their bill yet dispite all the news and discussions about it. The House bill vote nearly fell along party lines, with only two republican votes. This bill also brought a return of earmarks.


    Update Post 6/23/21
    Senators say deal reached on infrastructure proposal as bipartisan agenda faces make-or-break moment
    CNN




    Update Post 6/18/2021
    Democrats Float $6 Trillion Plan Amid Talks on Narrower Infrastructure Deal
    New York Times
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    Schumer mentioned the bipartisan bill around 1T likely would be voted on in July

    Schumer hopes for July vote for bipartisan infrastructure bill
    Reuters
    Original Post 6/11/2021
    Looks like there might be some headway on the infrastructure bill

    Bipartisan group of U.S. senators says it has a deal on infrastructure framework
    Reuter’s
    No tax hikes and they closed the gap between their initial proposals (Dems 2.2T; GOP 550B). Could still fall through but this is the first time I’ve seen news about an agreement. Looks like it’s a group of five from each side which means it could still be shot down with a filibuster if others don’t join in.

    Background before articles above:
    -Biden initially proposed an infrastructure bill totaling 2.2T, where about half of it expanded beyond what most would define as infrastructure, ranging from elderly care to
    education.
    -Republicans offered a counter bill around 600B which was seen as a no starter for Biden/ Senate Dems
     
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  2. Teppodama Silver Belt

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    Gee, and how much of that money will actually be used for real infrastructure work like roads, bridges, dams, etc.
     
  3. PolishHeadlock2 Gold Belt

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    Seems light to me. Stick with the original $2.2T
     
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  4. Yehudim Brown Belt

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    Probably a lot, since the Republicans are on board, but probably doesn’t go far enough either since they insist on no tax increase.

    Although I don’t actually know what the appropriate amount to spend on infrastructure is. I would imagine renovating waterways, dams, and ports is expensive as shit.
     
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  5. TheRealHNIC Green Belt

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    That means were all about to get robbed
     
  6. Teppodama Silver Belt

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    Should be ALL of it. But you know there will be plenty of bullshit pork in there. Politicians just can't seem to pass a clean spending bill of any kind.
     
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  7. PolishHeadlock2 Gold Belt

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    It's really good pork. Investing in education and renewable energy.

    The type of stuff that keeps us ahead of China
     
  8. Yehudim Brown Belt

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    I wonder what “infrastructure” spending on education entails.

    Throwing money at research universities is fine, but “upgrading buildings” vis a vis K-12 schools annoys me when we need three things: 1) pay teachers more 2) fire bad teachers 3) allow more flexibility in how teachers teach

    Building more spacious classrooms in order to better observe social distancing doesn’t seem like an investment to me. Applying a coat of paint to the walls doesn’t improve education but it does inflate how much money is being spent.
     
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  9. Teppodama Silver Belt

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    It can go in its own fucking bill then.
     
  10. TheRealHNIC Green Belt

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    It probably wouldn't pass that way
     
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    That’s fuckin awesome.
     
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  12. DavidsGhost Green Belt Platinum Member

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    How you going to gripe about a bi part deal like this?
     
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  13. Lead /Led/ like an old Nellie Platinum Member

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    The 2.2T proposal was only about half infrastructure or at least what most people would generally consider it as. The rest were for other programs not related so the fact it got trimmed to that means most of that other stuff got gutted out. The other point that was causing a problem was whether the bill should be offset with taxes or other funds like from the relief bill should be used for it. It seems like this plan doesn’t have tax hikes. My main concern is how much value we get out of the 1T as the US doesn’t have a good history of coming in close to budget with infrastructure projects. I think that’s a problem that likely can’t be fixed in the short term but should really be looked in and fixed.

    There also was another bill passed earlier this year to clean up the water supply that I believe was around 300B

    Edit: it was 35B... way off there
     
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  14. Canned Tuna Silver Belt

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    Throwing money at education won't fix it.
     
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  15. Yehudim Brown Belt

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    Yeah that’s what I recalled re: other programs.

    But since there are no details yet we can only speculate.
     
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    what some of you are calling pork will be seen even by republicans as necessary infrastructure in a decade or two, just how the military views climate change as the biggest threat to national security

    our right wing political system is going to take quite a bit longer than the military to recognize the reality of our situation. An infrastructure bill that doesn't have climate change at its core is just another example of pride before the fall
     
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    Most likely removal of the last bits of asbestos and lead remaning in the older buildings.

    Shit, just two years ago my kid's elementary school took the entire summer to complete asbestos and lead remediation.
     
  18. Yehudim Brown Belt

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    That was actually something that was mentioned (though I don’t think directly in reference to school buildings) which is a no-brainer, but I also remember reading about social distancing which just made me roll my eyes. How schools are not built with that in mind. (Shocker)
     
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    It won't hurt it
     
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    I'd rather it didn't.
     
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