Law Justice Amy Coney Barrett denies appeal to block the vaccine mandate at Indiana University

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Comparing speed limits to force injecting people with experimental biologics?

Why do you guys always have to rely on ridiculous justifications and logical fallacies? It's almost like you can't use rational thinking to support your position...

Without posting quack blogs or tinfoil sources, show some empirical evidence on the side effects of the vaccine. It's been around long enough and used on enough people for me to not worry about it.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

With measles, it's more like 99.99 survival rate, and that was BEFORE we learned that Vit A deficiency was such a risk factor (this can be easily supplemented to further reduce mortality, as recommended by WHO).

I definitely accept recommendations by the WHO, since you cited them I assume you are as well?

 

[blaseblah]

I think "Big pharma" sits at that top of both of those lists, no?

This case is about legal precedent not Big Pharma. The previous cases have all been in favor of vaccine mandates.

The only real question here is whether the federal government can mandate vaccines. But I don't think the Biden administration wants to do that.

 

[PhitePhan]

Without posting quack blogs or tinfoil sources, show some empirical evidence on the side effects of the vaccine. It's been around long enough and used on enough people for me to not worry about it.

Why do you think each and every vaccine-maker has legal immunity from "unforeseen" vaccine adverse events?

Also, you do realize these vaccines have been in use for less than a year, and that prior vaccines were found to have certain side effects years down the road (e.g., MMR and seizures). Remember, vaccines are shown safe after "years of testing" for a reason...

Regarding currently known adverse events following vaccination, here is what the CDC has to say:

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination

Serious adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination are rare but may occur.

For public awareness and in the interest of transparency, CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:

• Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
• Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of August 6, 2021, more than 13 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 39 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.
  • To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 335 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
• CDC and FDA are monitoring reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. Most people fully recover from GBS, but some have permanent nerve damage. After more than 13 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine doses administered, there have been around 155 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of August 6, 2021. These cases have largely been reported about 2 weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many 50 years and older. CDC will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.
• Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of August 6, 2021, VAERS has received 1,253 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 730 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.
• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 351 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 9, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,631 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 40 pages].

Funny enough, the CDC acknowledges "significant underreporting" of vaccine adverse events, and research shows that about 1% of all vaccine adverse events get recorded. I'll let you do the math.

I'm glad you feel comfortable taking the vaccine, you do you and leave the rest of us alone.

 

[PhitePhan]

This case is about legal precedent not Big Pharma. The previous cases have all been in favor of vaccine mandates.

The only real question here is whether the federal government can mandate vaccines. But I don't think the Biden administration wants to do that.

And if I understand, prior ruling gave States the right to mandate, NOT the feds... correct?

 

[PhitePhan]

I definitely accept recommendations by the WHO, since you cited them I assume you are as well?

I consider ALL sources of information and make informed decisions that are best for myself and my children.

 

[maximus__]

This case is about legal precedent not Big Pharma. The previous cases have all been in favor of vaccine mandates.

The only real question here is whether the federal government can mandate vaccines. But I don't think the Biden administration wants to do that.

This is exactly it. Imagine making a decision based on precedence and the legal law instead of just your opinion as a supreme court member.

 

[Execute]

Why do you think each and every vaccine-maker has legal immunity from "unforeseen" vaccine adverse events?

Also, you do realize these vaccines have been in use for less than a year, and that prior vaccines weren't found to have certain side effects years down the road (e.g., MMR and seizures). Remember, vaccines are shown safe after "years of testing" for a reason...

Regarding currently known adverse events following vaccination, here is what the CDC has to say:

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination

Serious adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination are rare but may occur.

For public awareness and in the interest of transparency, CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:

• Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
• Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of August 6, 2021, more than 13 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 39 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.
  • To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 335 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
• CDC and FDA are monitoring reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. Most people fully recover from GBS, but some have permanent nerve damage. After more than 13 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine doses administered, there have been around 155 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of August 6, 2021. These cases have largely been reported about 2 weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many 50 years and older. CDC will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.
• Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of August 6, 2021, VAERS has received 1,253 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 730 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.
• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 351 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 9, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,631 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 40 pages].

Funny enough, the CDC acknowledges "significant underreporting" of vaccine adverse events, and research shows that about 1% of all vaccine adverse events get recorded.

I'm glad you feel comfortable taking the vaccine, you do you and leave the rest of us alone.

You can't just pick and choose CDC info that fits your narrative then ignore their actual recommendations.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

I consider ALL sources of information and make informed decisions that are best for myself and my children.

What informs your decision? Why are you accepting their recommendation in Vit A and not their recommendations on COVID?

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

You can't just pick and choose CDC info that fits your narrative then ignore their actual recommendations.

He did that with the WHO is well.

 

[ElKarlo]

Will your opinion on this change when the covid vaccine does get the full approval?

Yes. As I think that’s a massive difference in being able to make it mandatory.

 

[Boss HM-2]

That's your mistake.




Never said it was. And by this token, we don't know the long-term effects of covid either.

Lol

Don't exacerbate the problem with hastily made decisions IMO.

 

[PhitePhan]

You can't just pick and choose CDC info that fits your narrative then ignore their actual recommendations.

You asked for mainstream source of adverse events, why are you moving to another topic?

Besides, the CDC picks and chooses... for example, they recommend vaccination after COVID infection despite the fact infection gives robust and durable immunity.

In reality, I get to pick and choose which treatment I participate in or not, as this is an inalienable right. Each of us is unique and it’s our responsibility to make informed decisions.

 

[PhitePhan]

He did that with the WHO is well.

So if my doctor gives me a 120 day prescription of oxycodone for my sprained ankle, I have to take it?

You guys are too much, in what world does one have to adhere to everything the WHO says just because there is agreement on supplementing with vit A?

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

So if my doctor gives me a 120 day prescription of oxycodone for my sprained ankle, I have to take it?

You guys are too much, in what world does one have to adhere to everything the WHO says just because there is agreement on supplementing with vit A?

Your Physician is one person and you have every right to get a second or third opinion from other experts. You have no expertise in this field and you are taking their expert opinion on VitA supplementation, why aren't you doing the same with MMR or COVID vaccinations as you have no expertise in immunology either?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Don't exacerbate the problem with hastily made decisions IMO.

There's no easy answer here.

Today the wife had to get a covid test at her job because a few employees caught it. That's the kinda thing that's gonna motivate them to mandate vaccination, depending on the voluntary participation rate. I think faculty is already above 90%. Not sure about students. At some point an employer has to consider the safety of everyone. Hard choices all around.

 

[PhitePhan]

Your Physician is one person and you have every right to get a second or third opinion from other experts. You have no expertise in this field and you are taking their expert opinion on VitA supplementation, why aren't you doing the same with MMR or COVID vaccinations as you have no expertise in immunology either?

Risk/reward analysis is fully available to all of us who can read the literature, and it seems that even medical doctors struggle to keep up... so who else should take this responsibility?

For example, several doctors I consulted didn’t know that the MMR leads to an increase in seizures, or that the polio vaccine exposed nearly 100 million to a cancer causing simian virus.

These people aren’t infallible, and consensus has been overturned countless times...

 

[lifelessheap]

No shoes, no shirt, no service.

Two weeks to flatten the curve.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Risk/reward analysis is fully available to all of us who can read the literature, and it seems that even medical doctors struggle to keep up... so who else should take this responsibility?

For example, several doctors I consulted didn’t know that the MMR leads to an increase in seizures, or that the polio vaccine exposed nearly 100 million to a cancer causing simian virus.

These people aren’t infallible, and consensus has been overturned countless times...

Absolutely true there, the consensus is by no means the truth. What it is though is the most accurate interpretation of the current data by the majority of the experts in the field; it can and will change however when new data is discovered.

You accept expert recommendations when they already fit your narrative, like Vit A supplementation and discard it when it doesn't like their MMR/COVID recommendation.

 

[PhitePhan]

Absolutely true there, the consensus is by no means the truth. What it is though is the most accurate interpretation of the current data by the majority of the experts in the field; it can and will change however when new data is discovered.

You accept expert recommendations when they already fit your narrative, like Vit A supplementation and discard it when it doesn't like their MMR/COVID recommendation.

When a recommendation is nonsensical, you’re damn right I discard it, what else should I do?

If people were a bit more skeptical, there would be less opioid addiction and deaths fueled by the medical industry, fewer chronic epilepsy cases related to unnecessary vaccination, and possibly better child mortality and less obesity fueled by erroneous nutrition information, to name just a few.