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o why as everyone so obsessed with the Dutch then when comes to striking
Their ovens can be deadly... why not their fighters?
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o why as everyone so obsessed with the Dutch then when comes to striking
Their ovens can be deadly... why not their fighters?
im not into kb very much dont know the ins outs a friend of mine says that the stadium thai guys are way better than the top guys who fight under kick boxing rules i just dont see how given the money they could made doing it so curious what others here think
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o why as everyone so obsessed with the Dutch then when comes to striking
some say it due to dutch being massive on average but tons of short dutch fighters out there ramon dekkers melvin manhoef
i personally prefer the dutch style to traditional thai style
They're not, not really. That was about 10-15 years ago. The Dutch are still good don't get me wrong but the hey day of everyone being obsessed with dutch striking was long agoS
o why as everyone so obsessed with the Dutch then when comes to striking
if the thais were better why didnt they go fight k1 ?
when people talk about strikers they talk about hoost remy bonjaski badr hari and friends only heard about buakaw today in the kb scene so yall think that thais are better than the top kick boxers in the world today?
But k1 was the biggest kB org during 90s 2000s and hardly any Thai guys were there you think the Thais would went to k1 rules and dominated everyone basically?
It has a better carry over to MMA than MT does
The Dutch (ie Ramon Dekkers) brought in slick combination punching from the sport of western boxing. It's not that the Thai's weren't capable of punching but for them it wasn't worthwhile because it didn't score well, they didn't feel it was as effective as the other weapons and clinching and probably the audience and betting industry didn't like it either.
Dekkers had success with it, which gave brought exposure of Muay Thai in Europe and inspired others to go have shot.
Then you had another generation of Europeans who liked to punch such as Damien Trainor have success too.
- this is the story several Muay Thai coaches have told me.
All that being said, this was golden era muay thai, and the sport is evolving and improving, footwork and head movement are becoming more a part of it, something the sport generally lacked before. If you get on damien trainors website, he talks about this as well. IMO the difficult thing with combining a KB style with a MT style, is incorporating the clinch/knee/elbow game. The bouncy and footwork head movement, seems to make the clinch knee elbow game difficult to incorporate. The MT style, makes the movement/footwork hard to incorporate. A good example of KB being superior on the outside, MT superior on the inside is chike lindsay vs yodsanklai. Yod has so much more exp on him, chike did very well the first few rounds staying to the outside, I think he could have beat him on points if he continued that way, but he decided to clinch with him and it was over.
The stance from DKB is more lead leg heavy making it easier for sprawls compared to an upright stance with weight distributed more in the rearthe best thais fight at 108-130 lbs range. most of the thais that fight - and more often than not dominate - internationally are giving up considerable weight to their opponents at 145-155 pounds weight classes.
Hoost/Aerts/Remy/Badr Hari are heavyweights, there aren't thais big enough to fight them (granted, Kaoklai KTFOed Mighty Mo at HW K1 giving up like 80 pounds maybe; Nokweed Davy fought a close fight against HW legend Jerome LeBanner in K1 giving up similar ammount of weight).
more thais didn't fight in K1 and don't fight at Glory because there is some twisted politics in combat sports. first, most western promotions don't want a little thai guy kicking the hell out of their potential star fighters; second, thai fighters are always attached to a thai promoter who may or may not want them to fight in other shows other than his.
this doesn't make much sense. none of them carry over to MMA much. but the one sport that has much less restrictions (like mma) is the one that carries over less?
Yeah, it's incredible how people are still perpetuating these myths about Dekkers. He was one of the best foreigners to fight in Thailand, that's about it. He wasn't one of the best fighters, didn't win fighter of the year and he certainly didn't revolutionize anything. Before him, Sagat Petchyindee and Samransak Muangsurin were already pressure fighters with a punching-focused style.Ah yes, the myth of Ramon Dekkers. While he did bring Muay Thai to a wider audience in Europe he didn't change the sport in Thailand with his style or anything. He lost as often as he won and he faced very few of the top tier fighters of his era such as Karuhat, Ole Kiatonoway, Boonlai, or Namkhabuan. He was well known and respected for his toughness & aggression along with putting on good fights, but he didn't show the Thais a whole new style or change the way they fight.
K1 was bigger guys and most Thais are smaller. Yeah there was K-1 max but Baukaw was there - they made rule changes.But k1 was the biggest kB org during 90s 2000s and hardly any Thai guys were there you think the Thais would went to k1 rules and dominated everyone basically?
The clinch is a very important aspect in the amateurs you can have sub-par kickboxing, but if your clinch is miles ahead of the competition, you'll dominateare kick boxers able to flurish more without threat of clich almost how amazing stirkers do less well in mma due to threat of take down
i mean in kickboxing vs muay thai
for instance petrosyan under ful thai rules would be thrown off due to clinch and knees dunno sorry my dslexia having trouble wording what i mean
i know many think the clinch is boring but to me it seems its vital in the full efectivness in muay thai and under ful thai rules kickboxers have less skill fuck knows sorry i sounded retarded today
Ah yes, the myth of Ramon Dekkers. While he did bring Muay Thai to a wider audience in Europe he didn't change the sport in Thailand with his style or anything. He lost as often as he won and he faced very few of the top tier fighters of his era such as Karuhat, Ole Kiatonoway, Boonlai, or Namkhabuan. He was well known and respected for his toughness & aggression along with putting on good fights, but he didn't show the Thais a whole new style or change the way they fight.
That is debatable, it was called the Golden Era of Muay Thai for a good reason. Back in those days there were fighters pulling off moves that not even Saenchai can do. I could go on and write for ages, but it's easier to just show.
i dont use the plum anymore unless the guy is hurt bad and im trying t finish but a fresh guy yeah plums asking for a takedown tbh i like using underhook and gable on the arm throwing knees elbows dirty boxing as well
i try to always come up with systems for ma reason i like the clinch is it can nullify someones hand speed ect things you may not have compared to your opponent and being able to slow the game down and be more technical and beat on them i study the hell out of randy and usman vs tyron really showed me how well clinching is with dirty boxig in the clinch
funny cause i basically abandoned my inside boxing i was taught since i was a kid cause felt it wasnt good for mma thinking that only range boxing is good for top mma levels
i know dirty boxing and inside boxing clinches arnt same but u can mix it all together
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o why as everyone so obsessed with the Dutch then when comes to striking