Do y'all think there is any size/weight/strength that can negate elite skill? If so, how much stronger, taller, and heavier would Shaw need to be?
Do y'all think there is any size/weight/strength that can negate elite skill? If so, how much stronger, taller, and heavier would Shaw need to be?
He would be a pain in the ass to roll with if he just got blue belt level thoughYes we think it and we said it clearly numerous time so stop being a dead horse. He would crush flyweights bantamweights etc. They'd still have a chance but his sheer size and strength would be too much for them imo
Now against other HWs or even LHWs competitive black belts he'll be submitted like a kindergarten kid.
As much as their is a size discrepancy that can negate skill, there is also a skill discrepancy that can negate size. It works both ways. But you seem obsessed with one and dismissive of the other.
My advice is go get a full year of bjj (or wrestling) experience and you'll be surprised at what you can do to totally untrained guys.
He would be a pain in the ass to roll with if he just got blue belt level though
Do y'all think there is any size/weight/strength that can negate elite skill? If so, how much stronger, taller, and heavier would Shaw need to be?
At a certain point pure strength and size would win. Even if you think Shaw doesn't have that, there is some amount of strength and size that could negate the highest skill.
Now against other HWs or even LHWs competitive black belts he'll be submitted like a kindergarten kid.
We can sure approximate. Watch this woman work this guy who has 100 pounds on her. It would look a lot like that. However, if shaw learned a handful of escapes well and maybe an armbar, arm triangle and americana/kimura (should be able to rotate those two until the arm is straight and then sub with his weight and strength) he would be competitive with people much more skilled than himself. Maybe all the way up to black belt, but elites will beat him like me wrestling a toddlerYeah, I'm not seeing any way a LHW would submit him like a kindergartener. If you think that's true, that's fine though. There's not much to discuss at this point. You think size and strength are negligible factors if there is a wide skill gap. I disagree, but neither one will convince the other and there aren't enough comparable scenarios to make even an educated guess.
There aren't many 6ft 8, 400 pound strongest men in history, so we don't know how they'd do.
We can sure approximate. Watch this woman work this guy who has 100 pounds on her. It would look a lot like that. However, if shaw learned a handful of escapes well and maybe an armbar, arm triangle and americana/kimura (should be able to rotate those two until the arm is straight and then sub with his weight and strength) he would be competitive with people much more skilled than himself. Maybe all the way up to black belt, but elites will beat him like me wrestling a toddler
She's not even an advanced belt really. It would be worse if you took her to brown or black belt, let alone elite. That's an enormous weight and strength difference.Doesn't look like 100 lbs weight difference to me but still very very impressive. Honestly wonder WTF the instructor was thinking to have a woman go with an angry, jacked spaz with a huge weight and strength advantage. That dude must have been hella pissed to wake up and still be out for blood. When someone goes out cold like that, almost always they're disoriented and peaceful AF when they come to.
We can sure approximate. Watch this woman work this guy who has 100 pounds on her. It would look a lot like that. However, if shaw learned a handful of escapes well and maybe an armbar, arm triangle and americana/kimura (should be able to rotate those two until the arm is straight and then sub with his weight and strength) he would be competitive with people much more skilled than himself. Maybe all the way up to black belt, but elites will beat him like me wrestling a toddler
Doesn't look like 100 lbs weight difference to me but still very very impressive. Honestly wonder WTF the instructor was thinking to have a woman go with an angry, jacked spaz with a huge weight and strength advantage. That dude must have been hella pissed to wake up and still be out for blood. When someone goes out cold like that, almost always they're disoriented and peaceful AF when they come to.
She's not even an advanced belt really. It would be worse if you took her to brown or black belt, let alone elite. That's an enormous weight and strength difference.
Not saying that a BB would win because obviously not, but this is a fake video lol. The guy is a bodybuilder/youtuber who does set up skits, he has a whole channel full of them, it's not real. Here's a similar video by the same guy doing the same thing, I believe they're pranking the rest of the class.
https://www.youtube.com/c/RamboCuzthaGunz33/videos
Ok well thenFrom the youtube comments, sounds like it probably is fake. I don't doubt it's possible for an athletic purple belt woman to sub a bodybuilder with no grappling experience like that, but would be crazy irresponsible of her coach. Unless the woman is Cyborg or Gabi Garcia, the strength disparity would be hella dangerous. If the guy were really going for broke, the woman likely gets picked up and slammed/spiked and/or takes some strike damage even if she eventually gets the sub.
Ok well then
No just showing an at least supposedly not fake one with similar size difference
I'm not following boss. Is this video supposed to somehow refute my post you responded to?
As a 330lbs blue belt I routinely smashed anyone that wasn't the instructor regardless of size or belt rank. I had very good technique though and my state is very slow to promote belts. I'd probably be a purple elsewhere with 7+ years on the mats.I have seen 130 lb blue belt pretty easily beat a novice white belt who had at least 50 lb on them. Little guy was a smoker too.