Opinion Meta: The War Room can't hold a discussion

half the threads here are derailed or straight up ruined by the same group of trolls. just put a few people on the ignore list and you will notice a big difference
 
I'm not responding to everyone individually as my answer to you all is the same- Liberals stand for literally nothing that isn't rooted in identity politics. Nothing. I honestly don't get what it even mean to be a democrat today, other than calling everyone nazis, racists or some other form of bigot.

GOP have been running on identity politics ever since the civil rights. Do they care for education reform? No. Do they care about wages? No. Do they care about healthcare? No.

What do they care about? Cutting taxes and stopping brown people from entering US. And they do it by drumming up imaginary culture war crisis (see anthem kneeling, feminism, underground pedo-cabals and Venezuela socialism)

But sure thing buddy, it's the leftists that care about identity politics
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I mainly use this place for news updates, memes, and every once in a while some sources to look up. Politics is a weird thing where it is essentially pop culture and everyone thinks their opinion means something. The idea of study, research, and analysis pales in comparison to knee-jerk analysis rooted in pre-existing ideology.

It is known. Odds that even this thread will turn into a proper discussion are slim to none. Talk about meta.

Either way, thanks TS. The nazi comparisons are just a small part of it. I think one of the major issues is that people aren't willing to compromise their views if it isn't attached to their ideology. Rather willingly be ignorant than admit being wrong.

PS: in fairness, some of the posts in the OP are responding to other posters invoking the nazis.

To me it comes across less about discussion, discovery, and learning and just combative sport of debate. The Kyle Rittenhouse thread is 200 pages long and is filled with back and forth that is stoked by people (openly) admitting they have no interest in learning: 1) The laws there, 2) What actually transpired on video evidence. That's not a discussion at that point, that's just people trying to state a position and piss one another off.
 
I mean they did free the slaves...
And most of the southern state representatives and senate regardless of party voted against the civil rights in 1964.
Union
House Democrats 95%
House Republicans 85%
Senate Democrats 98%
Senate Republicans 84%
Confederate states
House Democrats 9%
House Republicans 0%
Senate Democrats 5%
Senate Republicans 0%

As the political landscape changes so do the parties. The difference between 1860s and todays party is huge. The Democrats were the party of small government and Republicans we for large government. In the west expansion after the civil war, Republicans used large government to favor interest with large businesses such as railroads. Remember at the time the Republicans were the much more progressive party. As both parties fought for voters during the western expansion, the became slightly closer in political ideology. Both parties were promising government aid to gain voters and were expanding government over all to gain more power for their parties. During the western expansion big businesses wanted a larger federal government.

Around the time Taft became President the party started to become more conservative. Taft reduced the tariffs of the time, a major sourcevof income for the US government. This was to help big businesses, but pissed many of the progressives of the Republican party. Theodore Roosevelt, the former republican president that helped Taft run left the Republican party to start the progressive party. This was the turning point we see for todays GOP, big businesses small government.

The Republicans were also responsible for helping push the womens right movement. Most consider around 1936 and the new deal to be when the parties had completely switched platforms point or when the parties really stated to shift. The New Deal was a major blow to businesses. Putting restrictions on banking, helping small farmers, empowered labor unions. This was a huge progressive step for the democrats. The Republicans were for a much more conservative approach when dealing withnthe Great Depression.

By 1964 the Republican party was already starting to lean heavy on Christian Conservatives for votes and had begun to make heavy strides in southern states that were once dominated by the Democrats. Although Barry Goldwater lost in a landslide, he had futher the rift between the progressives in the Republican part and the conservatives. He wanted to dismantle the New Deal to help promote the interest of large businesses. While he was in favor of the civil rights movement, he voted against the civil rights act of 1964.

By the end of the 1970s the Republican had almost full support of the evangelicals in America. The American government had continued to grow and after Carters president run we got the conservative messiah Ronald Reagan. He was really the final nail in making the Republicans the full out conservative party we see today. Its funny how the south is where the Republicans have most of their strength in todays political word. Today its is the Democrats that are more likely to be progressive and fight for equality and workers rights. Yet we have conservatives calling progressives evil and trying to saying that the Republican party of 1860 is the same as todays party. The Roles both parties have played have completely shifted.
 
Ah yes, the party of Trump, Qanon, evangelicals and comparing the slightest inconvenience in a middle of a pandemic to 1984 authoritarianism is totally not the one running on pure emotion...
Yea suicide rates going up, people losing their life earnings and business, losing loved ones not being able to say good bye..ect but protest are allowed

... Those darn slightest inconveniences !!!
 
It makes sense to compare events today to events in history and the rise of the fascist, Nazi regime is a major event in our modern history. Sometimes today things happen politically that give you an uncomfortable reminder of the past and how it isn't impossible that similar events could happen again.
 
And most of the southern state representatives and senate regardless of party voted against the civil rights in 1964.
Union
House Democrats 95%
House Republicans 85%
Senate Democrats 98%
Senate Republicans 84%
Confederate states
House Democrats 9%
House Republicans 0%
Senate Democrats 5%
Senate Republicans 0%

As the political landscape changes so do the parties. The difference between 1860s and todays party is huge. The Democrats were the party of small government and Republicans we for large government. In the west expansion after the civil war, Republicans used large government to favor interest with large businesses such as railroads. Remember at the time the Republicans were the much more progressive party. As both parties fought for voters during the western expansion, the became slightly closer in political ideology. Both parties were promising government aid to gain voters and were expanding government over all to gain more power for their parties. During the western expansion big businesses wanted a larger federal government.

Around the time Taft became President the party started to become more conservative. Taft reduced the tariffs of the time, a major sourcevof income for the US government. This was to help big businesses, but pissed many of the progressives of the Republican party. Theodore Roosevelt, the former republican president that helped Taft run left the Republican party to start the progressive party. This was the turning point we see for todays GOP, big businesses small government.

The Republicans were also responsible for helping push the womens right movement. Most consider around 1936 and the new deal to be when the parties had completely switched platforms point or when the parties really stated to shift. The New Deal was a major blow to businesses. Putting restrictions on banking, helping small farmers, empowered labor unions. This was a huge progressive step for the democrats. The Republicans were for a much more conservative approach when dealing withnthe Great Depression.

By 1964 the Republican party was already starting to lean heavy on Christian Conservatives for votes and had begun to make heavy strides in southern states that were once dominated by the Democrats. Although Barry Goldwater lost in a landslide, he had futher the rift between the progressives in the Republican part and the conservatives. He wanted to dismantle the New Deal to help promote the interest of large businesses. While he was in favor of the civil rights movement, he voted against the civil rights act of 1964.

By the end of the 1970s the Republican had almost full support of the evangelicals in America. The American government had continued to grow and after Carters president run we got the conservative messiah Ronald Reagan. He was really the final nail in making the Republicans the full out conservative party we see today. Its funny how the south is where the Republicans have most of their strength in todays political word. Today its is the Democrats that are more likely to be progressive and fight for equality and workers rights. Yet we have conservatives calling progressives evil and trying to saying that the Republican party of 1860 is the same as todays party. The Roles both parties have played have completely shifted.

This isn't an example of a quality WR post.

It's levels beyond that.

By the end of the 1970s the Republican had almost full support of the evangelicals in America. The American government had continued to grow and after Carters president run we got the conservative messiah Ronald Reagan. He was really the final nail in making the Republicans the full out conservative party we see today.

Yeah, the 'religious right' was rather quiescent up until then and emerged mostly in reaction to the civil rights, gay liberation and second-wave feminist movements of the 1960s & '70s. It didn't need to exist as a politically active entity when state-sponsored racism, sexism and homophobia were the de facto sociocultural norms and law of the land.
 
The reason most online discourse breaks down almost immediately is that despite all our high-minded views about everyone's perspective being worthy of being heard, that's all bullshit. Truth is with the majority of issues there are two sides; the right side and the wrong side, and history bears out that one side in particular (read conservatives) is always on the wrong side of every issue.
 
Yea suicide rates going up, people losing their life earnings and business, losing loved ones not being able to say good bye..ect but protest are allowed

... Those darn slightest inconveniences !!!

Suicide rates went down, not up.
 
Not sure I'd use Godwin's Law to measure the standard of conversation.
The Nazi comparison has always been pretty common, even before the discourse nose dived due to American Identity politics.
Admittedly I did laugh when this popped up in a feed though.
 
This isn't an example of a quality WR post.

It's levels beyond that.



Yeah, the 'religious right' was rather quiescent up until then and emerged mostly in reaction to the civil rights, gay liberation and second-wave feminist movements of the 1960s & '70s. It didn't need to exist as a politically active entity when state-sponsored racism, sexism and homophobia were the de facto sociocultural norms and law of the land.

It is crazy how the Republican party has completely morphed into a religious right party since the 70s and 80s. Trying to force this country into being governed by Christian religious extremists. Wanting Christian prayer and religious text to be part of publuc education curriculum. Wanting the rights of women and homosexuals to be restricted to that of the old testament bible.

Obviously the actual politicians still mostly only serve large businesses needs, trying to erode workers rights every chance they can. Unfortunately the Christian extremists are beginning completely take over the parties political power. By siding with the evangelical right, it seems the Republicans are in a death tail spin from their progressive views the party once championed. They old saying goes " there is no hate, like Christian love." So true.
 
I'm not responding to everyone individually as my answer to you all is the same- Liberals stand for literally nothing that isn't rooted in identity politics. Nothing. I honestly don't get what it even mean to be a democrat today, other than calling everyone nazis, racists or some other form of bigot.

Only one of the two parties didn't run on a platform in 2020. Guess which one it was?
 
Nothing about this post changes anything about my point.

Whether you agree with them or not, Democrats have actual policy positions and goals. Both the party and Joe Biden published platforms. You can go read them.

Republicans literally didn't even bother to have a platform the last election. That's why your post is hilariously ironic. Talk about not standing for anything.
 
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Whether you agree with them or not, Democrats have actual policy positions and goals. Both the party and Joe Biden published platforms. You can go read them.

Republicans literally didn't even bother to have a platform the last election. That's why your post is hilariously ironic. Talk about not standing for anything.


A closed border and energy independence were a thing. America first is a policy position.


And try having adult conversations when the news is peak clown world.

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And most of the southern state representatives and senate regardless of party voted against the civil rights in 1964.
Union
House Democrats 95%
House Republicans 85%
Senate Democrats 98%
Senate Republicans 84%
Confederate states
House Democrats 9%
House Republicans 0%
Senate Democrats 5%
Senate Republicans 0%

As the political landscape changes so do the parties. The difference between 1860s and todays party is huge. The Democrats were the party of small government and Republicans we for large government. In the west expansion after the civil war, Republicans used large government to favor interest with large businesses such as railroads. Remember at the time the Republicans were the much more progressive party. As both parties fought for voters during the western expansion, the became slightly closer in political ideology. Both parties were promising government aid to gain voters and were expanding government over all to gain more power for their parties. During the western expansion big businesses wanted a larger federal government.

Around the time Taft became President the party started to become more conservative. Taft reduced the tariffs of the time, a major sourcevof income for the US government. This was to help big businesses, but pissed many of the progressives of the Republican party. Theodore Roosevelt, the former republican president that helped Taft run left the Republican party to start the progressive party. This was the turning point we see for todays GOP, big businesses small government.

The Republicans were also responsible for helping push the womens right movement. Most consider around 1936 and the new deal to be when the parties had completely switched platforms point or when the parties really stated to shift. The New Deal was a major blow to businesses. Putting restrictions on banking, helping small farmers, empowered labor unions. This was a huge progressive step for the democrats. The Republicans were for a much more conservative approach when dealing withnthe Great Depression.

By 1964 the Republican party was already starting to lean heavy on Christian Conservatives for votes and had begun to make heavy strides in southern states that were once dominated by the Democrats. Although Barry Goldwater lost in a landslide, he had futher the rift between the progressives in the Republican part and the conservatives. He wanted to dismantle the New Deal to help promote the interest of large businesses. While he was in favor of the civil rights movement, he voted against the civil rights act of 1964.

By the end of the 1970s the Republican had almost full support of the evangelicals in America. The American government had continued to grow and after Carters president run we got the conservative messiah Ronald Reagan. He was really the final nail in making the Republicans the full out conservative party we see today. Its funny how the south is where the Republicans have most of their strength in todays political word. Today its is the Democrats that are more likely to be progressive and fight for equality and workers rights. Yet we have conservatives calling progressives evil and trying to saying that the Republican party of 1860 is the same as todays party. The Roles both parties have played have completely shifted.
Are you Kenny Florian in real life or just a nerd that just knows a bunch of stuff? <{fry}>
 
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