International [NATO News] What Sweden brings to NATO as its Newest Member

[Lemmy Caution]

To make the principle work, all countries are expected to chip in. NATO's official guidelines say member states should spend at least 2% of their GDP on defense.

But NATO is really just the US and a bunch of vassal states.

 

[Arkain2K]

 

[Arkain2K]

Orbán: Hungary will approve Sweden, Finland NATO bids next year
Budapest ‘supports the membership of these two countries in NATO,’ says PM Viktor Orbán.
By Tristan Fiedler | November 24, 2022

Hungary will ratify Finland and Sweden’s NATO membership bids early next year, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán announced Thursday at a V4 group meeting in Slovakia.

“When it comes to NATO, the government has made the decision, and we have informed Sweden and Finland that Hungary supports the membership of these two countries in NATO,” Orbán said.

While other NATO members quickly welcomed Finland and Sweden’s application to join the transatlantic defense alliance after Russia invaded Ukraine, Hungary and Turkey have yet to ratify their accession.

Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin told POLITICO earlier that she doesn’t expect Hungary and Turkey to block NATO expansion, but warned about the risks of delaying the accession. Orbán’s chief of staff signaled in October that Budapest planned to green-light the expansion of the alliance by mid-December at the latest.

Hungary dragging its heels on NATO expansion plans irritated the other V4 member countries — Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia — who are among Europe’s strongest supporters of Ukraine.

https://www.politico.eu/article/vik...inland-sweden-nato-membership-2023-postponed/

 

[Arkain2K]

Finnish parliament to hold NATO vote while awaiting Hungary, Turkey decisions
By Reuters | December 5, 2022

HELSINKI, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Finland's government said on Monday it had asked parliament to formally adopt NATO's founding treaty, thus preparing the country for membership of the military alliance once hold-outs Hungary and Turkey approve the application.

"Our NATO membership moving forward is important for us Finns but also for NATO members," Foreign Minister Pekka Haavisto told a news conference.

In May, Finland and neighbouring Sweden applied for membership in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine but their applications are conditional on the approval of all 30 members, of which 28 have so far said yes.

While Hungary has said it expects to give a go-ahead in February, Turkey has accused the two Nordic countries of harbouring militants sought by Ankara and said that more must be done before the membership applications can be approved.

In May, 188 out of 200 members of parliament gave their backing for the application, with only eight votes against.

A simple majority in parliament will be enough to approve the NATO treaty as it requires no immediate changes to Finland's existing legislation or powers to determine foreign and security policy, according to the foreign ministry.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...awaiting-hungary-turkey-decisions-2022-12-05/

 

[BJJ Lover]

Looks like the Galactic Empire is about to get bigger

Wonder what country they're planning on bombing next.

 

[UFCUCF]

Putin's miscalculations have been of epic proportions and his mistakes compound themselves. Putin thought he would have Kiev within hours. Nope. It's 10 months later and his forces are still giving up previously gained territory. Putin thought this would have a chilling effect on countries wanting to get into NATO, but it has had the exact opposite effect.

At this point, I wouldn't trust Putin to pick lotto numbers AFTER the drawing.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Looks like the Galactic Empire is about to get bigger

Wonder what country they're planning on bombing next.

fucking wish it was like this.
it's mostly a superpower that is in decline and truly doesn't give one shit if the entire europe is blown to pieces, uk who's still cosplaying like it's worth a fuck on the world stage, 2-3 euro powers that are bankrupt if you look deep within, and like 20 shit countries that bark as loud as they can from behind the US embassies in town. it's a pathetic lot.

thankfully, the enemies are just as shit, or worse.

 

[Arkain2K]

Turkey’s president says no support for Sweden’s NATO bid
By ZEYNEP BILGINSOY



ISTANBUL (AP) — Turkey’s president cast serious doubt on NATO’s expansion Monday after warning Sweden not to expect support for its bid for membership into the military alliance following weekend protests in Stockholm by an anti-Islam activist and pro-Kurdish groups.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan slammed Rasmus Paludan’s Quran-burning protest on Saturday, saying it was an insult to everyone, especially to Muslims. He was particularly incensed at Swedish authorities for allowing the demonstration to take place outside the Turkish Embassy in Stockholm under “the protection” of security forces.

“It is clear that those who allowed such vileness to take place in front of our embassy can no longer expect any charity from us regarding their NATO membership application,” Erdogan said in his first comments regarding the weekend protests, saying Sweden must have calculated the consequences of permitting Paludan’s demonstration.

The burning of Islam’s holy book angered people across the political spectrum in Turkey, just as Sweden and Finland appeared on the cusp of NATO membership after dropping their longstanding policies of military nonalignment following Russia’s war on Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin now stands to benefit as the potential enlargement of the world’s most powerful military alliance appears to be stymied.

Erdogan also criticized Sweden for allowing pro-Kurdish protests where demonstrators waved flags of various Kurdish groups, including the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, which has waged a decades-long insurgency against Turkey. The PKK is considered a terrorist group in Turkey, the European Union and the United States, but its symbols aren’t banned in Sweden.

“So you will let terror organizations run wild on your avenues and streets and then expect our support for getting into NATO. That’s not happening,” Erdogan said, referring to Sweden and Finland’s accession bids for the military alliance. He said if Sweden won’t show respect to NATO-member Turkey or Muslims, then “they won’t see any support from us on the NATO issue.”

A joint memorandum signed by Turkey, Sweden and Finland in June averted a Turkish veto of their membership bid at NATO’s Madrid summit where they confirmed the PKK as a terror group and committed to prevent its activities. Continued protests are infuriating Ankara who has said Sweden must address Turkey’s security concerns and demands for the Turkish parliament to ratify their NATO request.

“If they love terror organization members and enemies of Islam so much, we recommend that they refer their countries’ security to them,” he added. Several hundred pro-Kurdish protestors walked over a photo of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Saturday and an Erdogan effigy was hung from a lamppost in a previous protest. Turkish officials cancelled bilateral meetings in response.

Swedish officials have stressed that freedom of expression is guaranteed by the Swedish Constitution and gives people extensive rights to express their views publicly, though incitement to violence or hate speech isn’t allowed. Demonstrators must apply to police for a permit for a public gathering. Police can deny such permits only on exceptional grounds, such as risks to public safety. Top Swedish officials have said freedom of expression is crucial to democracy while criticizing Paludan’s actions as disrespectful and ones they disagree with.

Anti-Islam activist Paludan, who holds both Danish and Swedish citizenship, established far-right parties in both countries that have failed to win any seats in national, regional or municipal elections. In last year’s parliamentary election in Sweden, his party received just 156 votes nationwide. His burning of the Quran sparked counter-protests in Turkey over the weekend, where demonstrators burned his photograph and a Swedish flag.

https://apnews.com/article/nato-pol...yyip-erdogan-f9a568da05914a4143a033e74067b6f4

 

[SandisLL]

But NATO is really just the US and a bunch of vassal states.

You are an idiot.
Do you even know what stuff Sweden is producing?

Ofc I agree that Sweden should use even more than 3% from GDP for military.

However Sweden produces good submarines, normal 4 th gen multipurpose fighter airplanes, MANPADS ....

Finland is notable niche king in engines building for ships.
They aren't small puppet.
It is world's leader during 40 years to produce high power inline 2 stroke diesels for very large commercial ships.
They are in this niche No1 in the world. Japan, South Korea, China, U.S, U.K are buying these from Finland.
Engines for superlarge ships....

 

[SandisLL]

With Sweden there ofc are problems that they are super ultra liberal.
Plus like Germany Sweden is well known as super generous benefits country .... therefore attracting immigrants to lurk how to get in Sweden....

Swedish benefits are most generous in all EU/ EEZ....

Then they are obsessed with democracy and allows all these prides and demonstations etc....

Also ofc very lenient laws in some aspects.....

Therefore picket was allowed to happen.

 

[Yehudim]

Turkey’s president says no support for Sweden’s NATO bid
By ZEYNEP BILGINSOY

https://apnews.com/article/nato-pol...yyip-erdogan-f9a568da05914a4143a033e74067b6f4

Will nobody get rid of this guy?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Will nobody get rid of this guy?

no oil or russians in the country.
we're stuck with him.

 

[Yehudim]

no oil or russians in the country.
we're stuck with him.

Turkey is way more valuable than any oil apparently because this guy is playing every side and winning.

He’s awful, but he’s just getting all the W’s for Turkey on foreign policy.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Turkey is way more valuable than any oil apparently because this guy is playing every side and winning.

He’s awful, but he’s just getting all the W’s for Turkey on foreign policy.

haven't seen that much winning for turkey.
turkey is right now a subset of his own personal survival doctrine.
and it's easy to play sides when on the east you have dingbat morons like armenia, azerbaijan, noncountries like syria, or confused "what is my purpose" powers like russia, while on the other side you have the weak homowest and the neanderthal balkans.
trump himself could navigate these waters.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Will nobody get rid of this guy?

Turkey is way more valuable than any oil apparently because this guy is playing every side and winning.

He’s awful, but he’s just getting all the W’s for Turkey on foreign policy.

He's up for reelection in 2023 and there's a chance he could lose. He has stacked the deck in his favor but his party has underperformed lately losing the critical race for mayor of Istanbul back in 2019. He may be deftly maneuvering the FP crises of the last few years but internally inflation is hammering the Turkish population in part because his government stubbornly refuses to raise interest rates the way other countries because of the bad optics that has in regards to the prohibition on usury. It'll be an interesting and pivotal race.

 

[Yehudim]

haven't seen that much winning for turkey.
turkey is right now a subset of his own personal survival doctrine.
and it's easy to play sides when on the east you have dingbat morons like armenia, azerbaijan, noncountries like syria, or confused "what is my purpose" powers like russia, while on the other side you have the weak homowest and the neanderthal balkans.
trump himself could navigate these waters.

They remain part of NATO & important to the West even as they buy Russian oil & weapons (this was an issue even before the war) and have a soft rhetoric on Russia, all while selling weapons to Ukraine, and opposing Russia in Syria (and the West) they are the single thing keeping Sweden & Finland out

And there’s a lot more things. If you look at my list, you’ll see they’ve done things to piss off Russia, Ukraine, America, & Europe, and yet nobody will even give Erdogan a strongly worded condemnation, much less actually oppose him.

They’ve gotten cheap oil, political concessions from Sweden vis a vis the PKK, and have sold weapons to Ukraine, among other things, and literally nobody likes them.

 

[Yehudim]

He's up for reelection in 2023 and there's a chance he could lose. He has stacked the deck in his favor but his party has underperformed lately losing the critical race for mayor of Istanbul back in 2019. He may be deftly maneuvering the FP crises of the last few years but internally inflation is hammering the Turkish population in part because his government stubbornly refuses to raise interest rates the way other countries because of the bad optics that has in regards to the prohibition on usury. It'll be an interesting and pivotal race.

I wonder if his party is smart enough to rewrite history (and the Turkish voter base dumb enough to buy it) to claim that inflation now is worldwide and thanks to the Russia-Ukraine war.

Even though Turkish inflation predated that by a long time, and we know that it was caused in part by retarded central banking practice like lowering interest rates in a time of growth to decrease inflation (lol)

 

[SandisLL]

No one cares.

We longer than decade clearly know that they like Hungary and Germany will not help if Russia will invade some NATO country.
Turkey is Turkey.

They had invaded Cyprus and didn't had annexed all country just cos U.K then had airbase in Cyprus and cos this ordered to pull tanks forward to guard their airbase.

This.

Now Turkey during last 2 decades is lurking how to annex some Greek islands and Cyprus cos they are dreamers thinking that there might be a lot of natural gas.....

We have headaches cos Turkey in NATO 40 years in row and this partially also is reason why we don't want Ukr in NATO...
We are balancing shit 4 decades on daily basis to prevent large scale war between Greece & Cyprus vs imperilist country Turkey.

Ofc we in reality also are shocked about option that Ukr might be in EU.
It will be torture for EU.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

They remain part of NATO & important to the West even as they buy Russian oil & weapons (this was an issue even before the war) and have a soft rhetoric on Russia, all while selling weapons to Ukraine, and opposing Russia in Syria (and the West) they are the single thing keeping Sweden & Finland out

And there’s a lot more things. If you look at my list, you’ll see they’ve done things to piss off Russia, Ukraine, America, & Europe, and yet nobody will even give Erdogan a strongly worded condemnation, much less actually oppose him.

They’ve gotten cheap oil, political concessions from Sweden vis a vis the PKK, and have sold weapons to Ukraine, among other things, and literally nobody likes them.

well ok, but these aren't really a sign of being smart. on the contrary actually.
give this behavior a longer historical view, and see how that works out for him.

 

[Cole train]

Galactic empire might refuse this place lmao

Might be good thing according to peoples opinions around here from what i see