Crime NSW police strip searching minors.

"The inquiry heard there were 143 strip searches at Splendour in the Grass in 2018, including seven young people — just 8.4 per cent were found with drugs on them."

This is clearly illegal and defined as assualt on a minor. Many are considering legal action.

As a NSW tax payer and resident I support them.

We currently have a massive (but not really) problem with drug ODs, so bad in fact the premier is looking at all options (except the one with the best results = pill testing).
 
This'll be a long read. If there was a simple solution there wouldn't be a problem. Actually I think the solution is rather simple but the horror stories of drugs have been pushed so much people are unable to look at it objectively.

First step is to realize there is no solution that will stop people taking drugs. Or even kids from taking them completely.


I think we can drastically decrease drug use and dependence if we start looking at this objectively rather than emotionally.

We have three drugs that are legal, coffee which is pretty benign. Children buy it legally.

Alcohol, which kills about two million people annually, contributes to a lot of violent crime and is actually pretty addictive.

Tobacco which kills 7 million and is highly addictive, a drug that is up there with some of the worst illegal drugs.


Then we have a group of about 1000 illegal drugs (the ones you've heard about are just a tip of the iceberg) that have been banned because of their psychoactive nature. In among that thousand you'll find drugs that are worse than tobacco, you'll find drugs that are worse than alcohol but safer than tobacco and you'll find drugs that are worse than coffee but safer than alcohol.

Hell there might even be psychoactive drugs that are safer than coffee.

So first step would be to admit that drug prohibition as we know it is not based on how safe or unsafe these drugs are.

Obviously that should change.

Second step would be to admit that banning drugs hasn't really decreased their use. If anything the majority of data states the opposite.

My solution? The state takes over drug dealing.

Kinda sounds crazy but drug dependency isn't a profitable business for government. The medical costs, lost labor costs etc will outweigh any revenue made on a new system or taxes received under the current system.

With illegal drug dealing still highly illegal and the state offering legal, regulated drugs without dangerous adulterants the illegal drug market will be decimated as the risk to reward ratio is smashed.

This in itself will drastically reduce kids ability to get drugs because drug dealers will be government payed without any incentive to sell drugs to kids and serious disincentives like jail.

The drawback is that I think for this to be really effective the state needs to legalize and regulate every street drug with a substantial market. This includes the heroins and the crystal meths.

This sounds scary but if you legalize and readily supply a whole bunch of the formerly illegal drugs that are safer than alcohol along with the other street drugs you instantly have a mathematical advantage.

If there's 40 legal drugs, 15 are common street drugs and 25 are "new" drugs that are safer and less addictive the odds are just on chance alone people will be less likely to take them.

Then you have massive advantage in that people don't want to be drug addicts, or die and given the option they'll flock to the new safer less addictive drugs over all the common street drugs let alone the heroins or the crystal meths.

Even better yet once the market is controlled you can implement and effectively monitor and compare policies in different states aimed at further deterring people from taking crystal meth or heroin or whatever else.

Sure meths legal, but you need to see a addiction specialist once a year to get the license required, or the price goes up .5% more than inflation while everything else increases at inflation.

Literally any hair brained idea can be implemented and it's effectiveness assessed.


Drug prohibition started in the 1930's. It's coming up on 90 years.

I think you give my system 90 years meth is no longer a thing. It's not illegal but with safer, cheaper alternatives that are less hassle to buy and 9 decades of trial and error of strategies to decrease meths use the demand will be so low that they just won't be produced anymore.

That's the solution.
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My solution? The state takes over drug dealing.

You aren't taking into account legal-with-prescription drugs in your analysis. I think the "opioid crisis" shows that legally obtained drugs don't help the problem. People struggle to contain their self-destructive behaviour regardless of the quality of the drugs.

Many people can't even stop eating junk food, how can they possibly stop heroin-like highs once they are hooked?
 
You aren't taking into account legal-with-prescription drugs in your analysis. I think the "opioid crisis" shows that legally obtained drugs don't help the problem. People struggle to contain their self-destructive behaviour regardless of the quality of the drugs.

Many people can't even stop eating junk food, how can they possibly stop heroin-like highs once they are hooked?

The opioid crisis is a pretty good example of why I think the government should be overseeing the process.

Capitalism and drugs of abuse are a horrible combination. The opioid crisis was brought about by money hungry scumbags convincing/paying doctors to prescribe highly addictive drugs to people who don't need them while undermining their warnings of their addictiveness.

Similar thing with nicotine adding chems to increase addictiveness.

Hell even sugar used fat as a scapegoat.

I think you're misplacing your blame in saying it's self destructive behavior causing it rather than criminal negligence/deceit.
 
They are. Including allowing private enterprises to figure out their own security needs and concerns. I don't want to be searched everywhere I go either. I will avoid venues that I feel are too invasive.


This is of course pure projection. I certainly don't agree with "penetration of children," but what is your alternative solution to keeping illegal drugs off of private property/leased property? There is real liability for the vendor when tons of kids are smuggling drugs into the venue (via their assholes).


It's unfortunate we have lost control of our kids. What is your solution?
It's the police doing the searches, it has zero to do with the event organisers.
 
This'll be a long read. If there was a simple solution there wouldn't be a problem. Actually I think the solution is rather simple but the horror stories of drugs have been pushed so much people are unable to look at it objectively.

First step is to realize there is no solution that will stop people taking drugs. Or even kids from taking them completely.


I think we can drastically decrease drug use and dependence if we start looking at this objectively rather than emotionally.

We have three drugs that are legal, coffee which is pretty benign. Children buy it legally.

Alcohol, which kills about two million people annually, contributes to a lot of violent crime and is actually pretty addictive.

Tobacco which kills 7 million and is highly addictive, a drug that is up there with some of the worst illegal drugs.


Then we have a group of about 1000 illegal drugs (the ones you've heard about are just a tip of the iceberg) that have been banned because of their psychoactive nature. In among that thousand you'll find drugs that are worse than tobacco, you'll find drugs that are worse than alcohol but safer than tobacco and you'll find drugs that are worse than coffee but safer than alcohol.

Hell there might even be psychoactive drugs that are safer than coffee.

So first step would be to admit that drug prohibition as we know it is not based on how safe or unsafe these drugs are.

Obviously that should change.

Second step would be to admit that banning drugs hasn't really decreased their use. If anything the majority of data states the opposite.

My solution? The state takes over drug dealing.

Kinda sounds crazy but drug dependency isn't a profitable business for government. The medical costs, lost labor costs etc will outweigh any revenue made on a new system or taxes received under the current system.

With illegal drug dealing still highly illegal and the state offering legal, regulated drugs without dangerous adulterants the illegal drug market will be decimated as the risk to reward ratio is smashed.

This in itself will drastically reduce kids ability to get drugs because drug dealers will be government payed without any incentive to sell drugs to kids and serious disincentives like jail.

The drawback is that I think for this to be really effective the state needs to legalize and regulate every street drug with a substantial market. This includes the heroins and the crystal meths.

This sounds scary but if you legalize and readily supply a whole bunch of the formerly illegal drugs that are safer than alcohol along with the other street drugs you instantly have a mathematical advantage.

If there's 40 legal drugs, 15 are common street drugs and 25 are "new" drugs that are safer and less addictive the odds are just on chance alone people will be less likely to take them.

Then you have massive advantage in that people don't want to be drug addicts, or die and given the option they'll flock to the new safer less addictive drugs over all the common street drugs let alone the heroins or the crystal meths.

Even better yet once the market is controlled you can implement and effectively monitor and compare policies in different states aimed at further deterring people from taking crystal meth or heroin or whatever else.

Sure meths legal, but you need to see a addiction specialist once a year to get the license required, or the price goes up .5% more than inflation while everything else increases at inflation.

Literally any hair brained idea can be implemented and it's effectiveness assessed.


Drug prohibition started in the 1930's. It's coming up on 90 years.

I think you give my system 90 years meth is no longer a thing. It's not illegal but with safer, cheaper alternatives that are less hassle to buy and 9 decades of trial and error of strategies to decrease meths use the demand will be so low that they just won't be produced anymore.

That's the solution.
The government already runs drug dealing. That's why they are so adverse to competition.
 
The police wouldn't be there if the vendor didn't want them overseeing security.

Not true, police are required to be there by regulation and the vendor is then charged for their services, regardless of if they wanted them or not.
 
Not true, police are required to be there by regulation and the vendor is then charged for their services, regardless of if they wanted them or not.
I will just have to take your word for that. The article makes no reference to it, and instead seems to indicate the vendor actually had some control...

"In this circumstance, the festival did not allow a parent or guardian in to accompany the child, so it is unclear what information was provided to the child that ensured that fully understood the testing they were being subjected to," Ms Lee said.
 
I will just have to take your word for that. The article makes no reference to it, and instead seems to indicate the vendor actually had some control...

Apologies as I haven't had much time to thoroughly provided sources, this article has some details and context:

https://themusicnetwork.com/nsw-festival-laws-get-worse/

By October, the Government had tasked a panel to come up with recommendations, the most damaging of which was a new category of liquor licence for festivals deemed to be at ‘high risk’.

Hastily-assembled regulations were rushed through parliament, and promoters were left in limbo as they waited to see just how much events already running on tight margins would be crippled.

Festivals would have to pay for bolstered police presence, with roughly one cop for every 60 festival-goers required. These figures were based on attendance numbers from the previous year’s event.
 
this is outrageous. Teenagers don't do drugs, much less carry drugs.
 
That's politically incorrect. Yet they will cavity search minors...???

Look how much trouble they are getting in for searching some kids for drugs, imagine what would happen if they addressed African gangs (that apparently don't exist and it's 'just crime')
 
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