Law Police shoot man for failing simon says again

Is there no standard protocol for this?

One guy gives a set step list of commands while his team stays quiet
 
Is bad that im laughing at this?<Dany07>
 
The commands weren't that bad. "Keep your hands on the hood" and "Get on your knees" are pretty simple and it is easy to do both at the same time. Idiot took his hands off the hood multiple times and there was no need to do that to get on his knees. Guy was a scumbag, I'm not going to lose any sleep over him getting blasted.
 
Hadron90 said:


From an August 8th incident. Just to get it out of the way, yes this was a bad hombre. He had just robbed a convivence store, was high as fuck, and driving a car he stole two days earlier. Yes, bad hombre here did have a gun on him and the cops were aware of that.

That said, still a bad shoot. Dude was not reaching to draw his gun. He was having trouble reacting to the unclear and contradictory orders the cops were giving him. One mistakenly told him to put his hands in his pockets, and instead of keep them out. One was telling him to put his hands on his head, the other hands on the hood. Then we he got shot, a cop had just told him to get on his knees, which is why he stepped back from the hood. This reminds me a lot of the guy shot crawling on all fours in that hotel hallway. Just a bunch of cops screaming contradicting instructions at someone impaired, and then they blast way at the arbitrary moment they feel like he has too many strikes against him.
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Criminals shouldn’t put cops into that situation.

He’s got a gun and disobeys the cop several times. It’s an extremely tense and dangerous situation. He COULD have reached for the gun and shot the cop within a split second. There are videos of this happening.

Look at how dangerous it is to be a cop. Look at how this cop was shot (could have easily been killed) within a split second:


I don’t know what’s happening in this country. Cops are now the problem. Incarceration is a problem. High bail is a problem. Defund the police, abolish the police.
Really?
This cop that got shot but survived, named Quincy Jones, is a hero. The USA is lucky to have brave men like him out there policing.
 
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Not a bad shoot. These officers knew this man had a gun and he had just used it in the commission of a crime. Then he gets into a pursuit and crashes his car. So he's shown that he has absolutely no regard for anybody else's life. This is exactly the type of person you DO NOT take chances with. He was being an asshole on purpose, disobeying orders to keep his hands on the hood.
Even if he really was trying to get on his knees, there was no reason to put his hands back down by his waist. Contradictory commands aside, nobody told him to put his hands down. Anybody who is not a complete moron knows to keep your hands up if the police have their weapons drawn on you.

spacegnome said:
this.

manslaughter charges for both idiot cops.
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So you want these officers to be charged with manslaughter even though nobody died? Please explain that one.
 
Confucamus said:
Not a bad shoot. These officers knew this man had a gun and he had just used it in the commission of a crime. Then he gets into a pursuit and crashes his car. So he's shown that he has absolutely no regard for anybody else's life. This is exactly the type of person you DO NOT take chances with. He was being an asshole on purpose, disobeying orders to keep his hands on the hood.
Even if he really was trying to get on his knees, there was no reason to put his hands back down by his waist. Contradictory commands aside, nobody told him to put his hands down. Anybody who is not a complete moron knows to keep your hands up if the police have their weapons drawn on you.



So you want these officers to be charged with manslaughter even though nobody died? Please explain that one.
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attempted murder.
 
Confucamus said:
Anybody who is not a complete moron knows to keep your hands up if the police have their weapons drawn on you.
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He was a complete moron and I believe he was also high at the time. However, the cops should have done a better job with their commands and composure. I would have probably been freaking the fuck out like the cops, but they are supposed to be trained on how to handle that situation.
 
Hadron90 said:


From an August 8th incident. Just to get it out of the way, yes this was a bad hombre. He had just robbed a convivence store, was high as fuck, and driving a car he stole two days earlier. Yes, bad hombre here did have a gun on him and the cops were aware of that.

That said, still a bad shoot. Dude was not reaching to draw his gun. He was having trouble reacting to the unclear and contradictory orders the cops were giving him. One mistakenly told him to put his hands in his pockets, and instead of keep them out. One was telling him to put his hands on his head, the other hands on the hood. Then we he got shot, a cop had just told him to get on his knees, which is why he stepped back from the hood. This reminds me a lot of the guy shot crawling on all fours in that hotel hallway. Just a bunch of cops screaming contradicting instructions at someone impaired, and then they blast way at the arbitrary moment they feel like he has too many strikes against him.
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How fucking hard is it for just ONE cop to take charge.
 
Poon Goon said:
At one point one of the cops tells him to put his hands into his pockets
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Yes, I heard that, he obviously meant to say "out", but the only reason he was shouting that was because the guy took his hands off the hood...yet again. He took them off the hood half a dozen times before the final instance when he claimed, only after being shot, he was just trying to get on his knees (when nothing about how he was moving his body suggested he was trying to get on his knees).
 
Tairy Hesticles said:
The only contradicting instruction they gave (if they did, it's hsrd to hear) was to get on his knees. Keep you hands on the hood is a pretty easy instruction to follow. However, if they told him to get on his knees, that's complete incompetence.
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Why can't you keep your hands on the hood while you get on your knees?

This is a somewhat questionable shoot with 2 guys shouting different orders at him, but let's be honest, the guy wasn't following any of them at any point. This isn't nearly the egregious shooting that the crying guy in the hotel hallway was, where they were asking him to crawl and around towards them and just blasted when the guy was clearly trying to follow every order.

If you keep your hands on the hood and pull your feet apart so they can come and take your gun off you and pat you down to make sure you don't have any others, your threat level instantly drops and the cops are much less jumpy, but the guy straight up refused to do that. He was a violent criminal with gun, and wouldn't even keep his hands on the hood for 5 seconds without backing up and putting his hands back down by his side.

I am in no way convinced that he had any intention of following orders and taking his arrest, and it really looked like he kept moving his hands down by his side and taking them off the hood looking for an opportunity to grab his gun.

That was like strike 9 where a violent criminal, high as shit with a gun in a stolen car fresh off an armed robbery, kept trying to put his hands closer to his gun after he was told 5 times to not take his hands off the hood of the car. The "keep your hands in your pocket" was an obvious misspeak that he immediately corrected because it was the 3rd or 4th time he had to say "keep your hands out of your pocket". He didn't shoot him then anyway, he shot him when the guy tried yet again to put his hands down by his side next to his gun.
 
If we go by the book, it's probably a correct shoot. Just not a feel-good one. The perp was way too relaxed, like it was one big joke, but the cops were dead serious. They expected him to keep hands up as he went on his knees. They didn't want to see his hands go anywhere near his waistband. That's basically what happens when you're high, you're not able to read the room and react with seriousness. Someone sober would have understood to make slow deliberate movements that didn't gesture anywhere near their weapon.
 
Renard said:
They expected him to keep hands up as he went on his knees. They didn't want to see his hands go anywhere near his waistband.
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I don't know what the training is like for giving commands in this type of situation, but it seems like telling him to keep his hands in the air or on his head would make sense.
 
That cop must’ve wanted a paid vacation
 
Pretty gross. Not quite as bad as the poor guy in the hallway begging for his life, but still bad. It's hard to feel too bad for the guy who got shot considering what he had just done.
 
A little too trigger happy for me. Then again doesnt take long for perp to raise a gun and shoot you as some video's show when cops are too hesitant and get killed. See video above.

Cops have the toughest job in the world and should be granted benefit of the doubt in these stressful situations. Plus it's not like they killed an asset to society. That should figure in the calculation too but it doesnt sadly nowadays. All lives are the same. Mother Theresa or some predator with 300 violent felonies that some puke judge or politician puts back on the street. It's bullshit though as we all know. I'd never be a cop even for 10 million a year non-UFC pro athlete money in todays environment.
 
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Different culture hard to judge
 
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