Law Police unions across the country look to stop mandatory vaccination among officers

[Anewt]

It is mandatory in NSW police by the end of next month.
No talk of that union doing much though.

Yeah.. strange times mate.. unfortunately people are so divided that I can't see a good outcome for years to come.

 

[nostradumbass]

Fer fooks sake, not this silly comparison again, comparing a cold to Covid-19.

A person's rights end when they infringe on the rights of others. Putting others at risk of infection is endangering them.

Um, you don't have the right to never get sick. Where the hell is that written? It's courteous if you stay home when you are sick to avoid getting others sick, but if you're not even sick, there's not even a courtesy that states you should avoid contact with everybody else because you might be sick and not know it.

Christ, just 2 years ago the argument was whether knowing that you have AIDS and lying to bareback a stranger should be a crime, and 100% of the people who said it shouldn't be are now saying that people who aren't even sick have take a bunch of injections and wear facemasks and avoid people because you might inadvertently give someone a cough.

 

[Anewt]

Been wearing a blindfold, have you? See above for some. But long story short, the vaccine reduces spread and that reduces the chances of new variants. Plain and simple.

Doesn't reduce the spread enough especially now everyone's loving their passport to spread covid....

 

[blaseblah]

You have to vote for the black face of white supremacy.

States can mandate vaccines (California already does), even if he wins Elder wouldn't be in a position to do anything about it.

 

[SBJJ]

I don't want someone who hasn't showered in a long time coming close to me, doesn't mean I am scared of them.

Then stay away from anyone who smells. Not that hard bro.

 

[Goonerview]

No, but the effects would be greatly mitigated. You would just need booster shots. People get the flu every year and need yearly Flu vaccine shots, yet no one complained about it.

The difference is influenza shots were not forced and mandated on everyone!

I am not against other people getting vaccines. If you are worried about the virus, have a hundred vaccines, go nuts!!! I don’t care.

My issue comes when you are forcing other people to take it. It violates human rights and the idea of informed consent.

 

[PhitePhan]

The difference is influenza shots were not forced and mandated on everyone!

I am not against other people getting vaccines. If you are worried about the virus, have a hundred vaccines, go nuts!!! I don’t care.

My issue comes when you are forcing other people to take it. It violates human rights and the idea of informed consent.

It is also completely irrational
how the vaccine can be the only thing that will save us, yet simultaneously it’s so ineffective you can’t even risk being next to an unvaccinated person.

Friggin bizarro world here!

 

[MicroBrew]

The difference is influenza shots were not forced and mandated on everyone!

I am not against other people getting vaccines. If you are worried about the virus, have a hundred vaccines, go nuts!!! I don’t care.

My issue comes when you are forcing other people to take it. It violates human rights and the idea of informed consent.

The Flu is not as pathogenic, and doesn't cause symptoms as severe as Covid-19.

No one is forced. There is no inherent right for an American to enter government or private property. If a person poses a threat or is otherwise being a public nuisance, the business or government entity can deny them service or employment.

 

[MicroBrew]

Then stay away from anyone who smells. Not that hard bro.

I can't smell the covid-19 in infected persons.

Besides, it's not about me, it's about society having to deal with overworked Hospital staff, lack of Hospital beds and elderly people dying prematurely because someone infected them.

 

[MTT]

Been wearing a blindfold, have you? See above for some. But long story short, the vaccine reduces spread and that reduces the chances of new variants. Plain and simple.

High vaccination of this non-sterilizing type applies selective pressure to a virus which can lead to a more worrisome mutation that evades the vaccine. This lot of vaccine uses neutralizing antibodies which narrowly target the spike protein receptor-binding domain of covid.

Research has found:
- in vitro, the selection pressure imposed by the antibodies, induced by the vaccines, led to the emergence of new variants of SARS-CoV-2 (1).
- in vivo, the case of a severe and prolonged form of infection by SARS-CoV-2, treated with antibodies taken from convalescents, favored the appearance of a variant. The variantions decreased when the treatment with the injected antibodies was stopped and reappeared with new doses of the injected antibodies. In the absence of the antibodies, wild strains again became the majority (2).

Research indicates genetic diversity of covid decreases with an increased rate of vaccination and the decline in genetic diversity is coupled with the dominance of concerning variants. Observing breakthrough cases of vaccinated individuals, you find viruses with lower genetic diversity in comparison to unvaccinated individuals.

(1)https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03324-6
(2)https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03291-y
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0250780

More research is needed but it isn't as cut and dry as exclaiming unvaccinated individuals are creating more variants, and those variants are more dangerous. I hope the biggest brains in operations research are factoring everything into their algorithm as it spits out blanket vaccination is the best path forward.

 

[SBJJ]

I can't smell the covid-19 in infected persons.

Besides, it's not about me, it's about society having to deal with overworked Hospital staff, lack of Hospital beds and elderly people dying prematurely because someone infected them.

But if you're vaccinated you should not worry.

So the answer to not enough hospital staff is to fire those not wanting the jab? Ok, sounds like a winning plan.

Prediction Micro. And I will gloat when it happens. This will backfire MASSIVELY. Hospitals will lose much needed workers. And the economy will be hit hard by this.

Hell, there is already a Hospital not performing deliveries because of this shit.

 

[Robocok]

Civilians can take the vaccine, and then they’re not at risk.

The argument made, not based on actual real science, is that the unvaccinated are hosts who allow the virus to mutate into new variants thus endangering everyone else. This is bs, but it will continue to be repeated to convince the stupid masses that the unvaccinated are putting them at risk and are responsible for the side effects that result from being vaccinated.

 

[fedoriswar37]

By forcing vaccines on people, you are putting their health at risk as there are side effects and people have died from the vaccine.

The common cold and influenza are viruses and they have killed people.

The vaccine does not prevent transmission.

Its very similar to the flu if you've ever had it. I've definatly had flu bugs that were worse in my life tho. Definatly kicks your ass a bit though .

 

[ShadowRun]

Been wearing a blindfold, have you? See above for some. But long story short, the vaccine reduces spread and that reduces the chances of new variants. Plain and simple.

So explain what happened in Israel ?

 

[Goonerview]

Its very similar to the flu if you've ever had it. I've definatly had flu bugs that were worse in my life tho. Definatly kicks your ass a bit though .

When I was a kid growing up, sometimes I had a fever, I just slept it off. Had a bowl of soup and went to bed. I was outside playing soccer within the next couple of days!

I didn’t even visit a doctor about it most of the time!

 

[Protectandserve]

they wont quit. they need the money.

Pretty sure these numbers are solid. Mandate is just the tipping point for many of them honestly.

Lots will go find something else to do for a few years till they can collect retirement.

Others will sell their houses, make a tidy profit and then bounce out of California to somewhere they can buy a house in cash with their profits from selling here.

 

[terrapin]

Pretty sure these numbers are solid. Mandate is just the tipping point for many of them honestly.

Lots will go find something else to do for a few years till they can collect retirement.

Others will sell their houses, make a tidy profit and then bounce out of California to somewhere they can buy a house in cash with their profits from selling here.

i dont believe 5 of them will do it but whatever..

 

[PhitePhan]

Pretty sure these numbers are solid. Mandate is just the tipping point for many of them honestly.

Lots will go find something else to do for a few years till they can collect retirement.

Others will sell their houses, make a tidy profit and then bounce out of California to somewhere they can buy a house in cash with their profits from selling here.

Yep, there are plenty of folks who will stand by their convictions.

Whopping 70 percent of unvaccinated Americans would quit their job if vaccines are mandated
https://thehill.com/changing-americ...whopping-70-percent-of-unvaccinated-americans

These people claiming folks will just back down are ignorant, and it seems that some people just can’t imagine what it’s like to have financial stability and the ability to make their own decisions... it’s kinda sad.

 

[MicroBrew]

But if you're vaccinated you should not worry.

So the answer to not enough hospital staff is to fire those not wanting the jab? Ok, sounds like a winning plan.

Prediction Micro. And I will gloat when it happens. This will backfire MASSIVELY. Hospitals will lose much needed workers. And the economy will be hit hard by this.

Hell, there is already a Hospital not performing deliveries because of this shit.

I am not worried about myself, as I am young enough and not obese or have any underlying conditions for the virus to be an issue. The issue is if I get it I might spread it to older folks.

Unvaccinated will spread it to unvaccinated. If enough people get sick, you have issues with hospitals running out of bed space.

Here is a case from April, of a man with non-covid related issues who died after waiting for an ICU bed to become available, because most of the beds were taken by Covid-19 patients.
https://www.newsweek.com/kansas-man...ed-hospitals-filled-covid-19-patients-1623922


And here is an Afghan war veteran who needed immediate care due to a gallstone, but his doctor could not find a hospital with an available ICU bed , so the guy died.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-us-hospital-icu-bed-shortage-veteran-dies-treatable-illness/

Kakli recalled making multiple phone calls to other facilities, only to get a lot of, "sorry … sorry … sorry," in reply. Places had the specialists to do the procedure, but because of how sick he was Wilkinson needed intensive care, and they didn't have an ICU bed to put him in.

I said, 'Okay great, let's go.' He texts me back five minutes later: 'I'm sorry. I can't get administrative approval to accept him, we're full.'"

For nearly seven hours Wilkinson waited in an ER bed at Belville.

"I had that thought in my head: 'I need to get his mother here right now,'" Kakli said. "I said, 'If he doesn't get this procedure done, he is going to die.'

 

[SBJJ]

I am not worried about myself, as I am young enough and not obese or have any underlying conditions for the virus to be an issue. The issue is if I get it I might spread it to older folks.

Unvaccinated will spread it to unvaccinated. If enough people get sick, you have issues with hospitals running out of bed space.

Here is a case from April, of a man with non-covid related issues who died after waiting for an ICU bed to become available, because most of the beds were taken by Covid-19 patients.
https://www.newsweek.com/kansas-man...ed-hospitals-filled-covid-19-patients-1623922


And here is an Afghan war veteran who needed immediate care due to a gallstone, but his doctor could not find a hospital with an available ICU bed , so the guy died.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-us-hospital-icu-bed-shortage-veteran-dies-treatable-illness/

Kakli recalled making multiple phone calls to other facilities, only to get a lot of, "sorry … sorry … sorry," in reply. Places had the specialists to do the procedure, but because of how sick he was Wilkinson needed intensive care, and they didn't have an ICU bed to put him in.

I said, 'Okay great, let's go.' He texts me back five minutes later: 'I'm sorry. I can't get administrative approval to accept him, we're full.'"

For nearly seven hours Wilkinson waited in an ER bed at Belville.

"I had that thought in my head: 'I need to get his mother here right now,'" Kakli said. "I said, 'If he doesn't get this procedure done, he is going to die.'

And your answer is to thin the hospital workforce even further with this mandate.

Unintended consequences my man. I will bring this back up in the future when I'm proven right.....again.