Opinion (Poll) Do you identify as Democrat, Republican or Libertarian?

In which US political party are you or identify with?

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Hello my Sherbrothers,

I'd like to know which party you identify with and why. Go head and vote, it's nice to see the statistical distribution. No judgement here. If you want you can read my input on my complicated choice reasoning below. I'll read yours as to why you voted for or identify with a particular party.

I used to be a Democrat back in the 1990s when everyone in office was "normal", no radicals, everyone talked to each other and respected each other regardless of party affiliation. I liked Bill Clinton, I liked Obama. I hated Bush. I was too young to understand Regan. I don't understand why republicans love Regan. Trickle down economics doesn't work (I found that out last week actually).

Then recently I shifted to Libertarian due to my disappointment with the two main parties, their failings, fighting and corruption. I became disillusioned. USA was / is an oligarchy in my mind. 2 choices that are both corrupt, control the media and lobby groups is no choice at all. To this day I still hate both parties.

Then because of Sherdog I left the Libertarian party. Yes Sherdog. You ruined my Libertarianism honeymoon. I put up a poll on Libertarianism here and during a deep discussion you guys tore it apart. I now realize didn't fully understand what it was, and now see its unfeasible. There are too many different versions of Libertarianism, it seems too pretentious, too vague and having almost no government is unfeasible. So I took it to heart and left them. (But I still like the romantic idea of it, New Hampshire Live Free or Die, everyone leaves everyone else alone, government butts out, no one tells others what to do or what to say, etc). I love the idea so much, but it seems unfeasible. Especially with a population of 360 million people. I see Libertarianism working in Switzerland for example, but not the USA.

If someone twisted my arm and said I had to pick one party, its a very hard decision. All parties have their strengths.

Some great concepts from libertarians are the value of small government.

Some great concepts from democrats are realizing that the war against drugs is a failure. Socialism isn't a bad word. I don't think prostitution should be illigal because consenting adults can do what they want. Also healthcare for all is a must. Separation between church and state is a must. I am an atheist, I can't tolerate someone's primitive superstitious beliefs (vishnu, thor, allah, jesus and all other the imaginary friends) with no evidence putting their nose into secular rule of law.

Some republican issues that are good is secure the boarders properly, follow the law regarding illigal immigration. I also support ALL free speech. The government should not play Robin Hood and be as small as possible.

Traditional left and right is changing, it used to be opposite. The left now love telling people what to do and controlling speech. The right now want to government to break up big tech. These ideas were unheard of in the 1990s, my favorite decade.

Also both parties have contradictions.

Democrat contradictions:
1. People don’t need to own guns because the police will protect them.
2. The police are a major part of the institutional racism that plagues our society.

Republican contradictions:
1. Charity should help the poor, not government to steal my money and allocate it.
2. All these bums need to get out of our area.

sorry, crap examples, I'm tired.

If my arm was twisted, I'd vote republican.

Anyway, enough about me. Let's hear about you guys! Which one do you identify with and why?
 
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I think Trump needs to be a choice.

The Democrats are just loons now
The Republicans are weak, and often times as bad as the Dems. They give lip service to standing for some of the right things
The Libertarians get some things right but they don't have a base

Trump exposed them. And we're seeing what they were willing to do to the middle class to get rid of Trump.
 
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The only parties I'm interested in joining are the ones with good food, drinks, and company with friends and family.

The ones that make their participants intentionally-blind to half of the things happening out there, no thank you.
 
You have some really fundamental misunderstandings about the parties' current policy positions. For instance, there is absolutely no basis whatsoever to believe Republicans are more geared toward breaking up monopolies than Democrats. That has never been true at any point in modern history, and even the centrist Democrats Clinton and Obama were much more active than Trump/Bush/Reagan in regulating antitrust.

Similarly, your concerns about speech freedom are misplaced. All one has to do is look at First Amendment court history to see that all past and present challenges to constitutional speech protections have come from the Republican Party. I would agree that, broadly and as a matter of culture, Democratic voters are less liberal now than several years ago on the matter of bipartisanship in public and private discourse, but the major government initiatives eroding free speech are still mostly coming from Republicans (BDS ban, loyalty pledges, anti protest laws, attacks on protections for journalists, etc.). And your concerns about border protection are just the product of propaganda: you'll find that the Obama years sported the hardest borders in American history and that all Trump added was needless cruelty and massively wasteful spending on interior deportations.

It's simply a matter of fact at this point that the Republican Party has no plausible or good faith policy basis. It's entirely reduced itself to swinging wildly on culture war nonsense just so the Party can loot government with corruption and regressive tax cuts....and salting the earth of legislative process behind them.
 
Trotsky said:
You have some really fundamental misunderstandings about the parties' current policy positions. For instance, there is absolutely no basis whatsoever to believe Republicans are more geared toward breaking up monopolies than Democrats. That has never been true at any point in modern history, and even the centrist Democrats Clinton and Obama were much more active than Trump/Bush/Reagan in regulating antitrust.

Similarly, your concerns about speech freedom are misplaced. All one has to do is look at First Amendment court history to see that all past and present challenges to constitutional speech protections have come from the Republican Party. I would agree that, broadly and as a matter of culture, Democratic voters are less liberal now than several years ago on the matter of bipartisanship in public and private discourse, but the major government initiatives eroding free speech are still mostly coming from Republicans (BDS ban, loyalty pledges, anti protest laws, attacks on protections for journalists, etc.). And your concerns about border protection are just the product of propaganda: you'll find that the Obama years sported the hardest borders in American history and that all Trump added was needless cruelty and massively wasteful spending on interior deportations.

It's simply a matter of fact at this point that the Republican Party has no plausible or good faith policy basis. It's entirely reduced itself to swinging wildly on culture war nonsense just so the Party can loot government with corruption and regressive tax cuts....and salting the earth of legislative process behind them.
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What made you choose libertarian instead of say..... green party? Or anything else?

Libertarians are a pretty specific political party. And a dumb one.
 
Day Drinking said:
What made you choose libertarian instead of say..... green party? Or anything else?

Libertarians are a pretty specific political party. And a dumb one.
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I teeter between libertarian and republican identity. Their values appealed to me. Deep down I know Lebertarianism is unsustainable with such a huge population.

Green party is a one issue party that is economically illiterate. So..no thanks.
 
mmafan2000 said:
That's quite a lofty sentence with very minimal backing of anything substantial.
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No more than your claim that they do. Who is pushing the aint protesting law currently across the country?
 
Trotsky said:
You have some really fundamental misunderstandings about the parties' current policy positions. For instance, there is absolutely no basis whatsoever to believe Republicans are more geared toward breaking up monopolies than Democrats. That has never been true at any point in modern history, and even the centrist Democrats Clinton and Obama were much more active than Trump/Bush/Reagan in regulating antitrust.

Similarly, your concerns about speech freedom are misplaced. All one has to do is look at First Amendment court history to see that all past and present challenges to constitutional speech protections have come from the Republican Party. I would agree that, broadly and as a matter of culture, Democratic voters are less liberal now than several years ago on the matter of bipartisanship in public and private discourse, but the major government initiatives eroding free speech are still mostly coming from Republicans (BDS ban, loyalty pledges, anti protest laws, attacks on protections for journalists, etc.). And your concerns about border protection are just the product of propaganda: you'll find that the Obama years sported the hardest borders in American history and that all Trump added was needless cruelty and massively wasteful spending on interior deportations.

It's simply a matter of fact at this point that the Republican Party has no plausible or good faith policy basis. It's entirely reduced itself to swinging wildly on culture war nonsense just so the Party can loot government with corruption and regressive tax cuts....and salting the earth of legislative process behind them.
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I agree totally with the first paragraph.

The second paragraph is soso, the same can be said of the democrats if you get into the nitty gritty. Wasteful spending is relative, democrats do it quite often if not more IMO.

The third paragraph shows some evident bias. "No plausible or good faith policy" claim now questions credibility. You were doing well tell you let bias shine though.
 
I know people love to shit on the political compass and all, but it's probably more accurate than just Dems vs Repubs especially since Libs and Neocons are a lot closer to each other than they are with Leftists and Trumpists, respectively
 
mmafan2000 said:
Hello my Sherbrothers,

I'd like to know which party you identify with and why. Go head and vote, it's nice to see the statistical distribution. No judgement here. If you want you can read my input on my complicated choice reasoning below. I'll read yours as to why you voted for or identify with a particular party.

I used to be a Democrat back in the 1990s when everyone in office was "normal", no radicals, everyone talked to each other and respected each other regardless of party affiliation. I liked Bill Clinton, I liked Obama. I hated Bush. I was too young to understand Regan. I don't understand why republicans love Regan. Trickle down economics doesn't work (I found that out last week actually).

Then recently I shifted to Libertarian due to my disappointment with the two main parties, their failings, fighting and corruption. I became disillusioned. USA was / is an oligarchy in my mind. 2 choices that are both corrupt, control the media and lobby groups is no choice at all. To this day I still hate both parties.

Then because of Sherdog I left the Libertarian party. Yes Sherdog. You ruined my Libertarianism honeymoon. I put up a poll on Libertarianism here and during a deep discussion you guys tore it apart. I now realize didn't fully understand what it was, and now see its unfeasible. There are too many different versions of Libertarianism, it seems too pretentious, too vague and having almost no government is unfeasible. So I took it to heart and left them. (But I still like the romantic idea of it, New Hampshire Live Free or Die, everyone leaves everyone else alone, government butts out, no one tells others what to do or what to say, etc). I love the idea so much, but it seems unfeasible. Especially with a population of 360 million people. I see Libertarianism working in Switzerland for example, but not the USA.

If someone twisted my arm and said I had to pick one party, its a very hard decision. All parties have their strengths.

Some great concepts from libertarians are the value of small government.

Some great concepts from democrats are realizing that the war against drugs is a failure. Socialism isn't a bad word. I don't think prostitution should be illigal because consenting adults can do what they want. Also healthcare for all is a must. Separation between church and state is a must. I am an atheist, I can't tolerate someone's primitive superstitious beliefs (vishnu, thor, allah, jesus and all other the imaginary friends) with no evidence putting their nose into secular rule of law.

Some republican issues that are good is secure the boarders properly, follow the law regarding illigal immigration. I also support ALL free speech. The government should not play Robin Hood and be as small as possible.

Traditional left and right is changing, it used to be opposite. The left now love telling people what to do and controlling speech. The right now want to government to break up big tech. These ideas were unheard of in the 1990s, my favorite decade.

Also both parties have contradictions.

Democrat contradictions:
1. People don’t need to own guns because the police will protect them.
2. The police are a major part of the institutional racism that plagues our society.

Republican contradictions:
1. Charity should help the poor, not government to steal my money and allocate it.
2. All these bums need to get out of our area.

sorry, crap examples, I'm tired.

If my arm was twisted, I'd vote republican.

Anyway, enough about me. Let's hear about you guys! Which one do you identify with and why?
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