Prime cain vs prime stipe

DC is a better version of Cain
Either way Stipe sleeps both of them

Let's keep in mind DC KO'd the absolute hell out of Stipe. And in the rematch, he had him lifted and could've delivered a suplex perhaps worse than the Randleplex, but chose not to. Had he, it possibly would have been a second KO.

Stipe would "sleep" him is such a weird argument to me, as both men have KO'd one another. Oh well. Carry on.
 
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Lmao Cain nut huggers are the funniest. He beat Brock and Bigfoot and JDS 2 out of 3. That’s it, but look you’ll see people really believe he was the greatest of all time.

This makes no sense. Ngannou is not beating prime Cain or any great HW unless he lands a luck punch. Cain is maybe top 5 to me but he mauls Ngannou with ease.

Talk about recency bias! Ngannou is the GOAT LMAO!
Cain isnt top 5 all time he doesnt have enough fights and most of his best wins were the same 2 guys.
 
Heavyweight Cain beats any heavy weight ever with the possible exception of being clipped by Ngannou or Ubereem. There is a major recently buyist here. Cain runs through Stipe.

Absolutely false, mate.
 
Prime Cain was like a 230 pound Khabib, but with MUCH better striking and with an even better gastank.

I like & respect Stipe, and would pick him over the vast majority of the best HWs in their primes, but Prime Cain would likely chew him up like JDS in their 2nd and 3rd fights.
Lmao Cain is a better striker than Khabib if the object of striking is to get hit and rocked more. He also has no submission game and his top contol isnt close to as good as Khabib's.
 
How does it play out?

Does stipe have the jab and footwork to keep cain away and does cain have the chin and durabilty to withstand stipes output and power.
That's a great one - especially stylistically.
I have to add that to my " fights that I'd pay asking price / on the spot"
 
We can all agree that DC is a poor mans Cain, And the fightS vs Stipe was somewhat competitive, even before the 12 eye pokes, so Cain does have a decent shot. I would still pick Stipe by TKO. Cain is struggeling when he can’t control where the fight goes.
There has already been a few people in this thread that have DC as being better than Cain so no we all cant agree.
 
not a fan of Cain, but a prime cain was hard to beat, Stipe certainly would have folded.
 
Lmao Cain is a better striker than Khabib if the object of striking is to get hit and rocked more.

Cain KO/TKOs - 12 of 14 wins
Khabib KO/TKOs - 6 of 28 wins

Sure you want to debate that?

He also has no submission game and his top contol isnt close to as good as Khabib's.

His top game was good enough for heavyweights while beating their faces into hamburger. No submission game needed.
 
Cain KO/TKOs - 12 of 14 wins
Khabib KO/TKOs - 6 of 28 wins

Sure you want to debate that?



His top game was good enough for heavyweights while beating their faces into hamburger. No submission game needed.

I'll absolutely debate that cause it's a stupid arguement.

Firstly because Khabib has as many submissions as TKOs many of which were caused by wearing down opponents with strikes and cause HWs hit harder and have a much higher KO ratio. That's a bizarre way to judge striking. A fair way to do it is to compare significant strikes landed per minute to significant strikes absorbed per minute, accuracy, defense ect, that way you don't heavily favor bigger fighters that will have a higher KO ratio simply due to physics.


http://ufcstats.com/fighter-details/032cc3922d871c7f
Khabib
SAPM
1.65
SLPM
4.11
Striking accuracy
49%
Striking defense
67%

http://ufcstats.com/fighter-details/0ff11cc094e887bc
Cain
SAPM
2.33
SLPM
6.37
Striking accuracy
57%
Striking defense
57%

Cain's offense is better but his defense is worse, I would rather get hit less especially when one party has been rocked multiple times and finished a few times due to strikes when the other hasn't.

http://www.fightmatrix.com/ufc-records/ufc-fight-outcomes-by-weight-class/

Fight Outcome Percentages
Division Total Fights (T)KOs Submissions Total Decisions No Contests DQs
Heavyweight 674 49.7% 24.2% 24.6% 1.0% 0.4%
Light Heavyweight 591 42.5% 19.8% 35.7% 1.4% 0.7%
Middleweight 735 35.6% 23.3% 40.0% 0.7% 0.4%
Welterweight 1044 32.4% 19.8% 46.7% 0.7% 0.4%
Lightweight 1032 26.6% 23.4% 49.0% 1.0% 0.1%
Featherweight 499 26.9% 17.4% 54.3% 1.2% 0.2%
Bantamweight 423 24.6% 22.9% 50.8% 1.7% 0.0%
Flyweight 204 22.5% 18.6% 58.3% 0.5% 0.0%
Women Featherweight 18 38.9% 22.2% 38.9% 0.0% 0.0%
Women Bantamweight 136 27.2% 14.0% 58.1% 0.7% 0.0%
Women Flyweight 78 14.1% 20.5% 65.4% 0.0% 0.0%
Women Strawweight 162 9.9% 20.4% 69.8% 0.0% 0.0%

The HW division has an average of nearly a 50% KO ratio(49.7%) vs 26.6% KO ratio for LW fights.
 
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Cain better striking, better cardio, better wrestling, better chin, better fighter

Stipe has no advantages over Cain except MAYBE head movement (and that's reaching a bit).

Cain would've annihilated Stipe and gotten the TKO inside 3 RDs. Stipe essentially only has a puncher's chance. You have to be unbiased to realize this.
 
I'll absolutely debate that cause it's a stupid arguement.

Firstly because Khabib has as many submissions as TKOs many of which were caused by wearing down opponents with strikes and cause HWs hit harder and have a much higher KO ratio. That's a bizarre way to judge striking. A fair way to do it is to compare significant strikes landed per minute to significant strikes absorbed per minute, accuracy, defense ect, that way you don't heavily favor bigger fighters that will have a higher KO ratio simply due to physics.


http://ufcstats.com/fighter-details/032cc3922d871c7f
Khabib
SAPM
1.65
SLPM
4.11
Striking accuracy
49%
Striking defense
67%

http://ufcstats.com/fighter-details/0ff11cc094e887bc
Cain
SAPM
2.33
SLPM
6.37
Striking accuracy
57%
Striking defense
57%

Cain's offense is better but his defense is worse, I would rather get hit less especially when one party has been rocked multiple times and finished a few times due to strikes when the other hasn't.

http://www.fightmatrix.com/ufc-records/ufc-fight-outcomes-by-weight-class/

Fight Outcome Percentages
Division Total Fights (T)KOs Submissions Total Decisions No Contests DQs
Heavyweight 674 49.7% 24.2% 24.6% 1.0% 0.4%
Light Heavyweight 591 42.5% 19.8% 35.7% 1.4% 0.7%
Middleweight 735 35.6% 23.3% 40.0% 0.7% 0.4%
Welterweight 1044 32.4% 19.8% 46.7% 0.7% 0.4%
Lightweight 1032 26.6% 23.4% 49.0% 1.0% 0.1%
Featherweight 499 26.9% 17.4% 54.3% 1.2% 0.2%
Bantamweight 423 24.6% 22.9% 50.8% 1.7% 0.0%
Flyweight 204 22.5% 18.6% 58.3% 0.5% 0.0%
Women Featherweight 18 38.9% 22.2% 38.9% 0.0% 0.0%
Women Bantamweight 136 27.2% 14.0% 58.1% 0.7% 0.0%
Women Flyweight 78 14.1% 20.5% 65.4% 0.0% 0.0%
Women Strawweight 162 9.9% 20.4% 69.8% 0.0% 0.0%

The HW division has an average of nearly a 50% KO ratio(49.7%) vs 26.6% KO ratio for LW fights.

I will admit those are 100% legit and relevant statistics.

Good job. You know your shit.

But what they don't show is that Cain is a dangerous striker in the fact he knocks down his opponents in addition to taking them down.

He shoots for takedowns when his opponents anticipate strikes, and he strikes when his opponents anticipate a takedown.

Khabib strikes mostly as a way to disguise his takedowns, and he's extremely crafty at that even more than Cain was. However he does not have serious power behind those strikes, with the exception of the windmill overhand-right he nailed Conor with in the 2nd round.

No one has ever stepped into the octagon fearing Khabib's standing striking power.

In addition to striking power, Cain's boxing fundamentals are crisp, with proper technique, speed faster than the average heavyweight, and was surprisingly accurate.

That's why Cain's the better overall stand-up striker.
 
DC is a better version of Cain

Better chin and cardio, cleaner striking

Either way Stipe sleeps both of them

Better chin, better boxing and dirty boxing, better punching power

But better cardio is for Cain

Prime for prime DC beats Cain ! prime Cain is in 2013, prime DC in 2018 !

The thread is now on the difference between Khabib and Cain <45><45><45>It's showing than media manipulate everybody !
 
All those guys you listed a FARRR better than struve and struve tko stipe lol. Losing to those guys are nowhere embarrassing as the struve loss no matter how you cut it.


Not everyone who uses PED get caught on every card. Some fighters get caught on different fight cards depending on their masking agents.

I really hope you don't believe all the guys fighting in the UFC are clean athletes lol.
Who gives a shit if Stipe lost to Struve, he still managed to beat better fighters and defend the belt longer than Cain.

Also, who cares? They were both tested and both passed all their tests, they were both clean for the fight. You can speculate all you want, but the facts are, both tested clean.

And I don't care if they take or not, but you're claiming he was on PEDs when in fact he passed every test for him title fights
 
Prime Cain has a loss in which he was knocked out in 1 minute. A submission loss where he didn’t get back his win. He also only fought the same guys.

Prime Stipe beat everyone he faced and got the win back against DC and JDS. He beat a variety of opponents with different styles.
He beat a striker(Reem), Ko artist(Francis), BJJ specialist(Werdum) and wrestler(DC). Also Hunt and Arlovksi.

Cain only beat Silva and JDS and lost to Werdum. So one only good win, one irrelevant win and one big loss where he failed to prove himself against a top fighter.

Stipe crushes him.

So Prime Cain has a loss where he got knocked out in the first round? So does Stipe against DC.

He beat Reem who's been KO'd 14 times, the Francis win was good but showed how poor his grappling is, Werdum fought like an idiot and just ran into his fist and he lost nearly every round against DC.

All the guys Stipe beat were much better several years before he faced them, he caught everyone on the downslide to retirement.

He's a great fighter who came along at an ideal time to exploit a worn out division.
 
Cain had the biggest upside of anyone in the UFC, ever.

It's just too bad we only saw it a few times before his body quit.

Which makes ranking GOATS so difficult (or useless, or stupid, or fun, depending on the point of view); if a guy was unbeatable for 3 years (not saying Cain was, getting theoretical now) then his career collapsed, is he higher or lower on a GOAT list than a guy who was #2 for a dozen years?
While i agree that cains upside was fantastic, i think people tend to forget that he was very hittable too. Cheik dropped him multiple times. Against the bigger, slower more ploddy HW's he shines. I think Stipe catches him coming in with a straight
 
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