Prime Wand vs Poatan would have been wild

[Blazeblack]

Wild for all of 2 mins then Wand is going to sleep.

Terrible matchup for Wand.

PS: What the heck you mean he threw down with Mirko with no problem? Mirko nearly decapitated him.

Alex is faster and more precise than Hunt and Mirko with matching power. Wand, unless he wanted to grapple, would not last.

Alex is definitely not faster than a prime Cro Cop.

 

[Blazeblack]

you got a nostalgia boner if you think it would be awfully one sided.

Cro Cop was actually the better striker, he was also one of the most inconsistent elite level fighters I've seen.

 

[DiazSlap]

Alex is definitely not faster than a prime Cro Cop.

You act like you know this stuff…Mirko had fast kicks but Alex’s punches are better set up and catch everyone..

So educate yourself before talking nonsense.

 

[DiazSlap]

Cro Cop was actually the better striker, he was also one of the most inconsistent elite level fighters I've seen.

Alex was was the ONLY two division champ in Glory so again don’t state your opinion as fact dummy.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

you got a nostalgia boner if you think it would be awfully one sided.

There are levels to this shit. Mirko was better and higher level. He fought and beat better people like Remy, Aerts, Hunt, LeBanner, Greco and Bernardo. Poatan got out classed by K1 max guys like Kyshenko and 185er Artem Levin twice. Mirko fought and beat better/ bigger kick boxers during the greatest era of kickboxing ever. Poatan wasnt even the best during the weakest era. Mirko would have smashed Poatan and so would the other elites from his era. Poatan fanboys didn't even watch kickboxing long enough to comment on this.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

You act like you know this stuff…Mirko had fast kicks but Alex’s punches are better set up and catch everyone..

So educate yourself before talking nonsense.

 

[filthybliss]

There are levels to this shit. Mirko was better and higher level. He fought and beat better people like Remy, Aerts, Hunt, LeBanner, Greco and Bernardo. Poatan got out classed by K1 max guys like Kyshenko and 185er Artem Levin twice. Mirko fought and beat better/ bigger kick boxers during the greatest era of kickboxing ever. Poatan wasnt even the best during the weakest era. Mirko would have smashed Poatan and so would the other elites from his era. Poatan fanboys didn't even watch kickboxing long enough to comment on this.

dawg.....kickboxing and mma translation is not 1:1. Izzy beat Poatan in mma despite being the obvious weaker kickboxer. Bob Sapp beat the kickboxing goat, Ernst Hoost but Bob got smacked up by cans in mma. Cro-cop got KOed by 5'10 randleman too so its not like its unfathomable that Poatan could find holes in his game.

 

[Blazeblack]

Alex was was the ONLY two division champ in Glory so again don’t state your opinion as fact dummy.

You clearly don't know very much about kickboxing, Glory was never at the level of the K-1 Golden Era. There were no divisions, just several world champions from various standup styles beating the shit out of each other just to qualify for that year's final 16.

That isn't to say that Glory isn't an elite promotion, it is. It's just that K-1 in it's heyday was about as stacked as a fight sport could possibly be. Just qualifying for the final 8 or even winning a qualification gp, literally made people's careers. To reach the grandprix final meant that you were one of the best of all time. Winning the grandprix final made you a legend. You simply cannot compare K-1 and Glory.

However, I do agree that Potan's kickboxing accomplishments are better, though Cro Cop probably has the superior wins on his resume. K-1 was definitely greater promotion, but not so much greater that a dominant reign as the Glory champion of a stacked division isn't comparable to winning a K-1 final. They are both massive achievements.

You act like you know this stuff…Mirko had fast kicks but Alex’s punches are better set up and catch everyone..

So educate yourself before talking nonsense.

Cro Cop was definitely the more complete fighter, he had the faster hands, the superior boxing and the better kicks. Potan has the knees, the better low kicks, and the more lethal punching power. But make no mistake, prime Cro Cop was a hell of a puncher.

The biggest thing Potan has over Cro Cop is consistency. Cro Cop could beat 2 champions in the same night then loose to a B-level fighter in his next outing. This was true both in K-1 and Pride. Potan on the other hand, is always prepared, always dangerous, and will always to fight to win, regardless of how badly he may be loosing.

You never really knew how motivated Cro Cop would be. And let's face, it Cro Cop didn't have the chin or durability to take opponents lightly and coast on his skill and natural talents. But that's exactly what he tried to do, and boy did he get his ass ko'd more than his fair share of times.

Also for the record, Cro Cop never won a true K-1 final. The 2012 K-1 was put on under new management (K-1 Global/ Rising), and the kickboxing talent was fragmented between Glory/ It's Showtime, K-1 Rising, and Superkombat (back when that was actually an international promotion). The 2012 tournament had 4 fighters that were in the top 10, but every other top HW fought in the 2012 Glory tournament (which was the last truly great HW tournament). He did get runner up in the 1999 K-1, which was the most stacked HW tournament in kickboxing history.

 

[TimeToTrain]

Wanderlei gets killed. Too wild.

Exactly. A technical artist destroys haymakers all day.

 

[moreorless87]

You act like you know this stuff…Mirko had fast kicks but Alex’s punches are better set up and catch everyone..

So educate yourself before talking nonsense.

I think its an interesting comparison, the two well established kickboxers who switched to MMA and got to close to the top of the latter, similar in some ways but very different in others.

Both of them were/are amazing counter punchers with the ability to end fights with a single shot but go about it very differently. Mirko in his prime VERY quick with excellent control of distance and ability to slip/side step offence before landing the high/mid kick or the left straight to finish, Alex is more the stalker breaking down the legs and body until setting up that counter hook.

Second time against Mirko Wand was totally dominated, maybe he was getting a little past prime but I don't think too bad, it was Mirko who really ended it. The big ttrouble he had though was he just couldn't get to Mirko at all, he side stepped all his aggression standing and shut down all his takedowns, poped him with the left straight counter and closed his eye then finished with the LHK.

Alex could potentially catch Wand as well but I think Wand would have a better chance at catching Alex than he did Mirko. his movement isnt as good and he depends more on seeing punches coming. We did see Jiri landed some good shots on Alex and if Wand did the same, had Alex covering up against the cage I do wonder what would happen with prime Wand in that position smelling blood. We did see prime Wand put away Rampage twice who was also very good at covering up and surviving against most opponents when hurt but couldnt deal with Wands onslaught.