Proof that Rocky Marcianos best rivals were stronger than Mike Tysons

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Rocky Marcianos best opponents, at the time he beat them, had the following merits:

Ezzard Charles

"Known for his slick defense and precision, he is considered one of the greatest fighters of all time by boxing critics[1]. Charles defeated numerous Hall of Fame fighters in three different weight classes. "

Notable wins: check
Notable merits: check

Jersey Joe Wallcott

He held the world heavyweight title from 1951 to 1952, and broke the record for the oldest man to win the title, at the age of 37. That record would eventually be broken in 1994 by 45-year-old George Foreman.

Notable merit: check

Mike Tysons best opponents, at the time he beat them

Trevor Berbick

Trevor Berbick (August 1, 1954 – October 28, 2006) was a Jamaican Canadian professional boxer who competed from 1976 to 2000. He won the WBC heavyweight title in 1986 by defeating Pinklon Thomas, then lost it in his first defense in the same year to Mike Tyson. Berbick was also the last boxer to fight Muhammad Ali, defeating him in 1981.

Notable wins as a pro: Zero. Unless you count beating Parkinson Ali in 1981 as a merit, which you shouldn't.

Tyrell Biggs:

Tyrell Biggs (born December 22, 1960) is an American former professional boxer who competed from 1984 to 1998, and challenged once for the undisputed heavyweight title in 1987. As an amateur he won a gold medal at the 1984 Summer Olympics, having previously won bronze at the 1983 Pan American Games and gold at the 1982 World Championships, all in the super heavyweight division.

Notable wins as a pro: Zero.

Tony Tucker

Tony Craig Tucker (born December 27, 1958) is an American former professional boxer who competed from 1980 to 1998. He won the IBF heavyweight title in 1987, and was the shortest-reigning world heavyweight champion, at 64 days

Notable wins as a pro: Zero
Notable merits as a pro: Zero.

Michael Spinks
Michael Spinks (born July 13, 1956)[a] is an American former professional boxer who competed from 1977 to 1988. He held world championships in two weight classes, including the undisputed light heavyweight title from 1983 to 1985, and the lineal heavyweight title from 1985 to 1988
Spinks has been inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame and the World Boxing Hall of Fame. The International Boxing Research Organization and BoxRec rank Spinks among the 10 greatest light heavyweights of all time.[7][8]

Notable wins: Larry Holmes.

Note: Did not want to get out ot his dressing room in the fight against Tyson. Did not come to fight Tyson. Did not get hit in the face clean by Tyson a single time, yet took a dive first time Mike threw a body punch. The only merit Tyson can claim from winning that fight was his intimidation factor. Spinks retired after the fight.



Does anybody still dispute the fact that Marciano had a tougher run in his undefeated streak compared to Tyson?
 
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spacetime said:
Rocky Marcianos best opponents, at the time he beat them, had the following merits:

Ezzard Charles

"Known for his slick defense and precision, he is considered one of the greatest fighters of all time by boxing critics[1]. Charles defeated numerous Hall of Fame fighters in three different weight classes. "

Notable wins: check
Notable merits: check

Jersey Joe Wallcott

He held the world heavyweight title from 1951 to 1952, and broke the record for the oldest man to win the title, at the age of 37. That record would eventually be broken in 1994 by 45-year-old George Foreman.

Notable merit: check

Mike Tysons best opponents, at the time he beat them

Trevor Berbick

Trevor Berbick (August 1, 1954 – October 28, 2006) was a Jamaican Canadian professional boxer who competed from 1976 to 2000. He won the WBC heavyweight title in 1986 by defeating Pinklon Thomas, then lost it in his first defense in the same year to Mike Tyson. Berbick was also the last boxer to fight Muhammad Ali, defeating him in 1981.

Notable wins as a pro: Zero. Unless you count beating Parkinson Ali in 1981 as a merit, which you shouldn't.

Tyrell Biggs:

Tyrell Biggs (born December 22, 1960) is an American former professional boxer who competed from 1984 to 1998, and challenged once for the undisputed heavyweight title in 1987. As an amateur he won a gold medal at the 1984 Summer Olympics, having previously won bronze at the 1983 Pan American Games and gold at the 1982 World Championships, all in the super heavyweight division.

Notable wins as a pro: Zero.

Tony Tucker

Tony Craig Tucker (born December 27, 1958) is an American former professional boxer who competed from 1980 to 1998. He won the IBF heavyweight title in 1987, and was the shortest-reigning world heavyweight champion, at 64 days

Notable wins as a pro: Zero
Notable merits as a pro: Zero.

Michael Spinks
Michael Spinks (born July 13, 1956)[a] is an American former professional boxer who competed from 1977 to 1988. He held world championships in two weight classes, including the undisputed light heavyweight title from 1983 to 1985, and the lineal heavyweight title from 1985 to 1988
Spinks has been inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame and the World Boxing Hall of Fame. The International Boxing Research Organization and BoxRec rank Spinks among the 10 greatest light heavyweights of all time.[7][8]

Notable wins: Larry Holmes.

Note: Did not want to get out ot his dressing room in the fight against Tyson. Did not come to fight Tyson. Did not get hit in the face clean by Tyson a single time, yet took a dive first time Mike threw a body punch. The only merit Tyson can claim from winning that fight was his intimidation factor. Spinks retired after the fight.



Does anybody still dispute the fact that Marciano had a tougher run in his undefeated run compared to Tyson?
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How much did those Cavemen bench-press? bet they they can't even spell Methylhexanamine!
Tyson by smoking weed expensively.
 
spacetime said:
Rocky Marcianos best opponents, at the time he beat them, had the following merits:

Ezzard Charles

"Known for his slick defense and precision, he is considered one of the greatest fighters of all time by boxing critics[1]. Charles defeated numerous Hall of Fame fighters in three different weight classes. "

Notable wins: check
Notable merits: check

Jersey Joe Wallcott

He held the world heavyweight title from 1951 to 1952, and broke the record for the oldest man to win the title, at the age of 37. That record would eventually be broken in 1994 by 45-year-old George Foreman.

Notable merit: check

Mike Tysons best opponents, at the time he beat them

Trevor Berbick

Trevor Berbick (August 1, 1954 – October 28, 2006) was a Jamaican Canadian professional boxer who competed from 1976 to 2000. He won the WBC heavyweight title in 1986 by defeating Pinklon Thomas, then lost it in his first defense in the same year to Mike Tyson. Berbick was also the last boxer to fight Muhammad Ali, defeating him in 1981.

Notable wins as a pro: Zero. Unless you count beating Parkinson Ali in 1981 as a merit, which you shouldn't.

Tyrell Biggs:

Tyrell Biggs (born December 22, 1960) is an American former professional boxer who competed from 1984 to 1998, and challenged once for the undisputed heavyweight title in 1987. As an amateur he won a gold medal at the 1984 Summer Olympics, having previously won bronze at the 1983 Pan American Games and gold at the 1982 World Championships, all in the super heavyweight division.

Notable wins as a pro: Zero.

Tony Tucker

Tony Craig Tucker (born December 27, 1958) is an American former professional boxer who competed from 1980 to 1998. He won the IBF heavyweight title in 1987, and was the shortest-reigning world heavyweight champion, at 64 days

Notable wins as a pro: Zero
Notable merits as a pro: Zero.

Michael Spinks
Michael Spinks (born July 13, 1956)[a] is an American former professional boxer who competed from 1977 to 1988. He held world championships in two weight classes, including the undisputed light heavyweight title from 1983 to 1985, and the lineal heavyweight title from 1985 to 1988
Spinks has been inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame and the World Boxing Hall of Fame. The International Boxing Research Organization and BoxRec rank Spinks among the 10 greatest light heavyweights of all time.[7][8]

Notable wins: Larry Holmes.

Note: Did not want to get out ot his dressing room in the fight against Tyson. Did not come to fight Tyson. Did not get hit in the face clean by Tyson a single time, yet took a dive first time Mike threw a body punch. The only merit Tyson can claim from winning that fight was his intimidation factor. Spinks retired after the fight.



Does anybody still dispute the fact that Marciano had a tougher run in his undefeated run compared to Tyson?
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Ezzard Charles was a blown up MW who already had 9 losses prior to fighting Marciano and Jersey Joe was 39 when he first fought Marciano and was winning the fight up until the KO in their first meeting.
 
I'm not going to argue against TS ridiculous points, but lets respect the fighters enough to get the record straight on notable wins.

Spinks notable wins: Holmes x2, Cooney
Tucker notable wins: Douglas, McCall (both went on to become HW champs)

And Ruddock, Bruno and Williams were a lot more respectable HW's than Biggs, who as you said hadn't beaten anybody.
 
aries said:
Ezzard Charles was a blown up MW who already had 9 losses prior to fighting Marciano and Jersey Joe was 39 when he first fought Marciano and was winning the fight up until the KO in their first meeting.
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ezzard charles was only a couple of pounds lighter than marciano, who was also a blown up middle by your standards.
 
don't forget achie moore. had the most knock outs of any boxer ever. that's a fair claim to fame.
 
djacobox372 said:
And Ruddock, Bruno and Williams were a lot more respectable HW's than Biggs, who as you said hadn't beaten anybody.
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Those were all after Tyson lost his title. I compared them prime for prime, streak for streak. Marciano had it waaay tougher.
 
aries said:
and Jersey Joe was 39 when he first fought Marciano and was winning the fight up until the KO in their first meeting.
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Exactly, so aint nobody that could use the age against him.. He was clearly still a VERY good fighter in excellent shape.
 
Did we need a second thread on this?
 
I think their resumes are pretty similar. Both have some decent wins against forgettable contenders and old greats. They were victims of being masters of weak divisions.

Spinks was an all time great LHW , beat the champ at HW twice and defended that crown. He was a legitimate win for Tyson.

And lets be real here. No way was Holmes anywhere near as washed up as Walcott or especially Louis.

Tyson has his set of accomplishments that stand up to the greats. Still is and likely always will be the youngest fighter to unify the heavyweight titles, for example. His loss to Douglas is enough to give Marciano and edge in the all time picture but win vs win, they are not far apart at all.
 
spacetime said:
No please, argue for Trevor Berbick and Tony Tucker over Ezzard Charles.....I like to see it.
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No one did that. Thats like me saying for you to argue Lou Nova over Spinks.
 
Seano said:
I think their resumes are pretty similar. Both have some decent wins against forgettable contenders and old greats. They were victims of being masters of weak divisions.

Spinks was an all time great LHW , beat the champ at HW twice and defended that crown. He was a legitimate win for Tyson.

And lets be real here. No way was Holmes anywhere near as washed up as Walcott or especially Louis.

Tyson has his set of accomplishments that stand up to the greats. Still is and likely always will be the youngest fighter to unify the heavyweight titles, for example. His loss to Douglas is enough to give Marciano and edge in the all time picture but win vs win, they are not far apart at all.
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NO. Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Wallcott were active fighters when Marciano faced them. Holmes was not, which why I didn't even include him
 
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eternaldarkness said:
ezzard charles was only a couple of pounds lighter than marciano, who was also a blown up middle by your standards.
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Yeah so why would we presume he'd do well against the behemoth modern fighters? Why would either of them do well against modern fighters. Deontay Wilder, Mike Tyson and Holyfield are all considered small modern HW's but they were all 210lbs plus. How is a 185lb'er going to compete?
 
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