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Punk is the true source of extreme music

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  1. DavidsGhost Green Belt Platinum Member

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    I found out something unexpected, punk is actually the parent of extreme music.


    Basically, rock or hard rock experienced a schism, one path led to heavy metal and one path led to punk.

    those two streams developed in tandem, with each side taking aggression to its logical end. What I found surprising is that punk actually become more aggressive earlier than heavy metal

    in 1987 slayer released Reign in Blood, essentially a precursor to death metal, which would essentially culminate in aggression with Canibal Corpses albums in the mid 90s.

    but prior to 1987, crust punk and power violence were already pushing the boundaries of extremity. Siege was playing essentially blast beats in 1985, and of course Napalm Death released scum in 1987 - which was much more dissonance and extreme than Slayer.
     
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  2. KawhiDoh I Am The Wind That Shapes The Land

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    Can't say I'm the biggest fan of extreme music these days, outside of a few choice bands. I don't really care where the music comes from, I just know some of it is fucking awesome.

    \m/
     
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  3. rob mafia Silver Belt

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    i mean, duh.

    hardcore was hardcore punk. and the rest split from hc, basically.
     
  4. DavidsGhost Green Belt Platinum Member

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    Heavy metal did not split from punk
     
  5. rob mafia Silver Belt

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    lolz @ thinking heavy metal is "more extreme" than pv/hc/grindcore/thrash/etc and etc

    also, you referenced slayer. which...
     
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    Death was making death metal in the early 80's...
     
  7. DavidsGhost Green Belt Platinum Member

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    In my mind, the modern death metal sound did not manifest until Obituary in 89/90
     
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    You stated that Slayer's Reign in Blood was a precursor to death metal in 1987, but Death was making death metal by 1984 and released Scream Bloody Gore in 1987
     
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  9. DavidsGhost Green Belt Platinum Member

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    scum sounds more like death metal than scream bloody gore and it was released in 1987

    scream bloody gore seems more appropriate as a precursor to death metal. honestly it is more of the death metal aesthetic than it was the death metal sound.

    again I believe Obituary established the common death metal sound that we see as the foundation for all death metal today, whether technical or brutal or whatever

    but point is, napalm death's scum basically blows Scream Bloody Gore and Reign in Blood out of the water
     
  10. DavidsGhost Green Belt Platinum Member

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    Also listen to Seige in mid 80s and tell me punk hadn't reached extreme prior to metal.

    The thing that I find fascinating here is that both of these musical evolutions reached similar sonic elements but took up noticeably different aesthetics.

    Death Metal appealed to gore and shock value.

    And grindcore/crust/powerviolence took up political aesthetics.
     
  11. Poser Caust Brown Belt

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    I dont know how the fuck you think Scream Bloody Gore is less death metal than from Obituary. I've never heard anyone argue make that argument in 35 years of having this argument over and over.
     
  12. DavidsGhost Green Belt Platinum Member

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    Okay on listening again obituary early stuff and death sound similar.

    whag qualities are you using to categorize death metal?
     
  13. Jose Beehive No.1 Soldier Of God Gif User

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    You guys heard these 1940's rappers though?
     
  14. UberKneeOf209 Brown Belt

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    its not entirely wrong.

    Alot of extreme music/metal came about because they took the faster/groovier parts of hardcore and punk and added it in to metal or vice versa, or wanted to take it to another level

    Napalm Death were basically a hardcore punk/crust band before going grindcore, then from grindcore you had everything else come out of it.

    You can even refernece industrial and noise as coming from punk, as bands like Godflesh etc came from grindcore but had their roots in like post punk and the like

    Either way, they tend to appeal to alot of the same crowd. Punk, Metal, love it both and Napalm\godflesh are two of my all time favs.
     
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    It's a shame punk rock spawned that grindcore/extreme metal garbage. Fucking unlistenable nonsense.
     
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    I got on a little hardcore kick recently. Cro Mags, Agnostic Front and some newerer stuff like Madball, Terror, Biohazard, Sick of it all.
    all those NYC hardcore bands. Never been a huge fan of HC but It's fun to listen to that stuff and pay it some respect sometimes.
    Those dudes truly eat sleep and breathe that shit.
     
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  17. rob mafia Silver Belt

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    while i like old school and nyhc, i was much more into new school.
     
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    What are some new school HC bands? Poison the well or Walls of Jericho type stuff?
     
  19. rob mafia Silver Belt

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    i guess. they kind of came around at the end and the scene (culture) died and then split into lame subgenres that were basically just music. so they were more like 'metalcore' or whatever.

    new school was basically mid-90s to 2000ish and was basically metal. earth crisis, turmoil, snapcase, etc.

    i linked a turmoil song in the metal thread posts (all were philly hc bands...)
     
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    Nothing is more extreme than metal, and it started with Bach. Now watch Shred.

     

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