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This is the official discussion thread for the latest news development on the Russian Covid vaccine "Sputnik V".

If you are behind on the news, please read up on the basic facts to catch up with everyone else instead of jumping in face-first to embarrass yourself.

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Russia’s race for virus vaccine raises concerns
By DARIA LITVINOVA​

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MOSCOW (AP) — Russia boasts that it’s about to become the first country to approve a COVID-19 vaccine, with mass vaccinations planned as early as October using shots that are yet to complete clinical trials -- and scientists worldwide are sounding the alarm that the headlong rush could backfire.

Moscow sees a Sputnik-like propaganda victory, recalling the Soviet Union’s launch of the world’s first satellite in 1957. But the experimental COVID-19 shots began first-in-human testing on a few dozen people less than two months ago, and there’s no published scientific evidence yet backing Russia’s late entry to the global vaccine race, much less explaining why it should be considered a front-runner.

“I’m worried that Russia is cutting corners so that the vaccine that will come out may be not just ineffective, but also unsafe,” said Lawrence Gostin, a global public health law expert at Georgetown University. “It doesn’t work that way. ... Trials come first. That’s really important.”

According to Kirill Dmitriev, head of Russia’s Direct Investment Fund that bankrolled the effort, a vaccine developed by the Gamaleya research institute in Moscow may be approved in days, before scientists complete what’s called a Phase 3 study. That final-stage study, usually involving tens of thousands of people, is the only way to prove if an experimental vaccine is safe and really works.

Health Minister Mikhail Murashko said members of “risk groups,” such as medical workers, may be offered the vaccine this month. He didn’t clarify whether they would be part of the Phase 3 study that is said to be completed after the vaccine receives “conditional approval.”

Deputy Prime Minister Tatyana Golikova promised to start “industrial production” in September, and Murashko said mass vaccination may begin as early as October.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease specialist, questioned the fast-track approach last week. “I do hope that the Chinese and the Russians are actually testing a vaccine before they are administering the vaccine to anyone, because claims of having a vaccine ready to distribute before you do testing I think is problematic at best,” he said.

Questions about this vaccine candidate come after the U.S., Britain and Canada last month accused Russia of using hackers to steal vaccine research from Western labs.

Delivering a vaccine first is a matter of national prestige for the Kremlin as it tries to assert the image of Russia as a global power capable of competing with the U.S. and China. The notion of being “the first in the world” dominated state news coverage of the effort, with government officials praising reports of the first-step testing.

In April, President Vladimir Putin ordered state officials to shorten the time of clinical trials for a variety of drugs, including potential coronavirus vaccines.

According to Russia’s Association of Clinical Trials Organizations, the order set “an unattainable bar” for scientists who, as a result, “joined in on the mad race, hoping to please those at power.”

The association first raised concern in late May, when professor Alexander Gintsburg, head of the Gamaleya institute, said he and other researchers tried the vaccine on themselves.

The move was a “crude violation of the very foundations of clinical research, Russian law and universally accepted international regulations” the group said in an open letter to the government, urging scientists and health officials to adhere to clinical research standards.

But a month later, the Health Ministry authorized clinical trials of the Gamaleya product, with what appeared to be another ethical issue.

Human studies started June 17 among 76 volunteers. Half were injected with a vaccine in liquid form and the other half with a vaccine that came as soluble powder. Some in the first half were recruited from the military, which raised concerns that servicemen may have been pressured to participate.

Some experts said their desire to perform well would affect the findings. “It’s no coincidence media reports we see about the trials among the military said no one had any side effects, while the (other group) reported some,” said Vasily Vlassov, a public health expert with Moscow’s Higher School of Economics.

As the trials were declared completed and looming regulatory approval was announced last week, questions arose about the vaccine’s safety and effectiveness. Government assurances the drug produced the desired immune response and caused no significant side effects were hardly convincing without published scientific data describing the findings.

The World Health Organization said all vaccine candidates should go through full stages of testing before being rolled out. “There are established practices and there are guidelines out,” WHO spokesman Christian Lindmeier said Tuesday. “Between finding or having a clue of maybe having a vaccine that works, and having gone through all the stages, is a big difference.”

Offering an unsafe compound to medical workers on the front lines of the outbreak could make things worse, Georgetown’s Gostin said, adding: “What if the vaccine started killing them or making them very ill?”

Vaccines that are not properly tested can cause harm in many ways — from a negative impact on health to creating a false sense of security or undermining trust in vaccinations, said Thomas Bollyky, director of the global health program at the Council on Foreign Relations.

“It takes several years to develop any drug,” said Svetlana Zavidova, executive director of Russia’s Association of Clinical Trials Organizations. “Selling something the Gamaleya (institute) tested on 76 volunteers during Phase 1-2 trials as a finished product is just not serious.”

Russia has not yet published any scientific data from its first clinical trials. The WHO’s list of vaccine candidates in human testing still lists the Gamaleya product as in Phase 1 trials.

https://apnews.com/ea0e1221dba375d0f07ab9bc0f8bfe05
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In Russia, "3rd-Phase trial" is the general population. :eek:

Stay tuned for the next season of The Walking Dead.
 
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Sound like desperation. They can't control it. Their economy is junk and they need a solution and need it now. Yikes!
 
Jesus , something tells me the oligarchs won't be the first in line ...

Resident Filipino @ShinkanPo can be first in line, if he's brave enough to be a Russian lab rat :D

Russia offers to supply Philippines with COVID-19 vaccine

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Russia is willing to supply a coronavirus vaccine to the Philippines, or team up with a local firm to mass produce it, its ambassador to Manila said on Friday, as infections in the Southeast Asian nation surge.

Russia is expecting regulatory approval for its first potential COVID-19 vaccine this month, with doses to be administered to frontline health workers first.

But the frenetic race globally to develop a COVID-19 vaccine is raising some concern that speed could compromise safety and that some countries could be putting national prestige before solid science.

"We are ready to supply vaccines to the Philippines," Igor Khovaev, Russia's ambassador to the Philippines, told a virtual news conference.

It can also invest with a Philippine partner for local vaccine production, he said, adding that Russia was awaiting a response to its proposal from the Philippines' foreign ministry.

The ministry in a statement said the Russian offer "has been referred to the appropriate agencies for proper assessment and evaluation."

Khovaev said the vaccine was "effective and safe", adding that about 20 countries had expressed interest in working with Russia on deployment of the vaccines.

Russia's offer comes amid concern in some developing countries about access to a COVID-19 vaccine, with expectations of high demand globally.

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has sought closer ties with Russia, as well as with China, in part due to his dislike for historic ally the United States.

Duterte last month said he had made a plea to his Chinese counterpart to make the Philippines a priority if it successfully develops a COVID-19 vaccine. The Philippines has so far recorded more than 122,000 cases.

Asked on Thursday about the Russian vaccine, World Health Organization emergencies director Michael Ryan said trial data was needed to ensure any vaccines are safe and effective.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN2531H1
 
Someone is stealing information me thinks. I don’t think they are being as reckless as implied.
 
Devil’s advocate here: How often do vaccines that reach stage 3 of trials, ie large pool of people testing, need changes before actually being distributed to the whole of the public?
 
Wild - does anyone know what kind of vaccine they developed?

Someone is stealing information me thinks. I don’t think they are being as reckless as implied.
They are stealing vaccine information: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/russia-hack-coronavirus-vaccine

But they can't steal the step they are skipping here because no one else has done phase 3 trials, they take a good amount of time and a lot of subjects.

IMO the hacks were probably just to keep tabs and see what kind of promise other approaches have been having. Since of the hundreds of trials there are eight different approach types being developed, they might decide to rush to something else if it is working better. Oh, and also, to tailor their misinformation campaign https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/7/pro-russia-vaccine-misinfo-finds-home-in-us-facebo/
 
I’ve always said that the zombie apocalypse would start in China, but maybe Russia will win that race after all.
 
Devil’s advocate here: How often do vaccines that reach stage 3 of trials, ie large pool of people testing, need changes before actually being distributed to the whole of the public?

Stage 3 is typically where they figure out dosing protocols. Too much and the side effects could be serious, too little and the vaccine is ineffective.
 
Wild - does anyone know what kind of vaccine they developed?


They are stealing vaccine information: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/russia-hack-coronavirus-vaccine

But they can't steal the step they are skipping here because no one else has done phase 3 trials, they take a good amount of time and a lot of subjects.

IMO the hacks were probably just to keep tabs and see what kind of promise other approaches have been having. Since of the hundreds of trials there are eight different approach types being developed, they might decide to rush to something else if it is working better. Oh, and also, to tailor their misinformation campaign https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/7/pro-russia-vaccine-misinfo-finds-home-in-us-facebo/

Phase 1 and 2 is where safety and side effects are dealt with. If this is true stage 3 then someone gave them Moderna vaccine as they started phase 3 last week and Moderna developed their vaccine in conjunction with the NIH.
 
The thing that scares me is if this is a stage 1 or 2 and the vaccine winds up like taking antibiotics when you don’t need them and cause super Covid.
 
Phase 1 and 2 is where safety and side effects are dealt with. If this is true stage 3 then someone gave them Moderna vaccine as they started phase 3 last week and Moderna developed their vaccine in conjunction with the NIH.
Well, kindof. Safety and some element of efficacy are a part of each phase. The numbers of subjects ratchets up though and the answers you can actually gain from them.

But a true measure of efficacy - not just 'are antibodies produced' but 'do these people get the disease less often than the control group' is Phase 3. As is a more nuanced safety assessment, like rare things that will only pop up after a while or in a small minority.

It doesn't really help if someone just started a phase 3, there's no information to steal yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phases_of_clinical_research#Phase_III
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It looks like Russia had developed a bunch of vaxes just like the US, and the one they are talking about deploying is a viral vector spike protein one like the Oxford Uni ChAdOx1 which looks promising and has a funny name too. The Moderna one is an mRNA based vax. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/world/europe/russia-trials-vaccine-October.html
 
Even if they get lucky and it works, that’s still a bad idea 99% of the time.
 
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