These shooto gloves are great. Have been working them while ground fighting, hit the bag with them some. Just really tried to abuse these gloves. Also let some guys at the gym take them home and try them out for a week also. So far I havnt hear anything negative from any of the guys that borrowed them. Well, the only thing was "it was a little tricky to put the gloves on for the first time", talking about putting their fingers through the loops! LOL But yeah great gloves and have been holding up real well. Thanks Ron